内华达州某处
布瑞特妮凯瑟
凯瑟女士 从奥马巴竞选团队中的 理想主义实习生 Ms. Kaiser, you seem to have traveled a long way from an idealistic intern in
到给这样一家机构工作 与讨厌的人为伍 Barack Obama's campaign to working for an organization
你似乎走了很长的路 that keeps pretty unsavory company.
剑桥分析
这一点儿也没让你觉得不自在吗？ Didn't that make you uncomfortable at all
你提到过拥有两组名片 You referred to having two sets of business cards.
你在替谁干活？ Who did you work for
别误会 Don't take this the wrong way.
你的人生中 是否为任何国家的情报机构 In your life, have you ever worked for
效力过 或提供过信息？ or provided information to any country's intelligence agency
纽约市
嗨 请来一小杯咖啡 Hi. A small coffee, please
-2.25美金 -好的 - Uh, $2.25. - Great.
好的 All right.
有谁看过一则广告 Who has seen an advertisement
让你坚信 that has convinced you
你的麦克风正在监听你的对话？ that your microphone is listening to your conversations
我们很难想象这是如何实现的 It's hard for us to imagine how else it could work,
但现在的情况就是 你的行为 but what's happening is that your behavior
正在被精确预测 is being accurately predicted.
所以那些看似准确度惊人 So, the ads that seem uncannily accurate,
肯定在对咱们进行偷听的广告 that have to be eavesdropping on us,
更可能是 are more likely to be evidence
这种定向在运作 that the targeting works,
并且在预测我们行为的证据 and that it predicts our behavior.
可能因为我成长过程中 互联网已经是一种现实了吧 Maybe it's because I grew up with the Internet as a reality.
所以广告没那么困扰我 The ads don't bother me all that much.
情况是什么时候恶化的？ When does it turn sour
这是一列开往布鲁克林的 Q线特快列车 This is a Brooklyn-bound Q express train.
下一站是运河街 The next stop is Canal Street.
是从世界互联的那个梦想开始的 It began with the dream of a connected world.
一个空间 让人人得以分享体验 A space where everyone could share each other's experiences
觉得少一点孤单 and feel less alone.
谢谢所有生日祝福！
这个世界没多久就变成媒人 It wasn't long before this world became our matchmaker,
即时事实核查员、私人娱乐者 instant fact-checker, personal entertainer,
记忆守护者 甚至治疗师 guardian of our memories, even our therapist.
我之前在传授数字媒体和开发程序 I was teaching digital media and developing apps.
所以我知道咱们线上活动的数据 So, I knew that the data from our online activity
不会凭空消失 wasn't just evaporating.
随着我深入挖掘 我意识到 And as I dug deeper, I realized...
我们的这些数字痕迹 these digital traces of ourselves
被挖掘成一个年值万亿美元的产业 are being mined into a trillion-dollar-a-year industry.
我们现在是商品 We are now the commodity.
但我们如此迷恋 But we were so in love
这种免费连接带来的好处… with the gift of this free connectivity...
人们懒得去阅读那些条款和条件 that no one bothered to read the terms and conditions.
我的全部互动 All of my interactions,
每一次刷卡 每一次网页搜索 my credit card swipes, web searches,
定位、点赞 locations, my likes,
都被实时收集 然后附在我的身份中 they're all collected in real time and attached to my identity,
让任何买家都能 直接把握我的情绪脉搏 giving any buyer direct access to my emotional pulse.
在这种知识的武装下 他们争夺我的注意力 Armed with this knowledge, they compete for my attention,
给我稳定持续地投放为我量身定做 只适合我一个人看的内容 feeding me a steady stream of content built for and seen only by me.
对我们每个人都是如此 And this is true for each and every one of us.
我喜欢的… What I like,
我害怕的… what I fear,
吸引我注意的… what gets my attention,
我的界线所在 以及让我越界的条件 what my boundaries are, and what it takes to cross them.
返回华盛顿 Go back to Washington.
骗子希拉里撒了很多谎 Crooked Hillary tells lots of lies.
股市要崩盘了 这会导致内战 The stock market's gonna crash. I mean, this'll cause a civil war.
我们看到2016年大选中 We saw the fallout of our filtered realities
过滤现实的劫后余波 in the 2016 election.
唐纳德特朗普说出来的时候 你没有被冒犯 ...you were not offended when Donald Trump said it!
滚出这里！ Get the fuck out!
真实世界成为深度割裂的残骸 The real world became a deeply divided wreckage site.
干死这帮墨西哥豆娘养的烂货！ 把墙建起来！ Fuck those dirty beaners! Build the wall!
连接世界的梦 是如何撕裂我们的？ How did the dream of the connected world tear us apart
我女儿8岁 我儿子4岁 My daughter is eight, and my son is four.
每个应用程序在安装前都被精心审查 Uh, every app is carefully scrutinized before ins... being installed, and...
现在我是一名父亲 在阅读隐私政策 我说 And, like, now, I'm the dad who reads the privacy policy and says,
“不 你在这看到了吗？ 他们在看你的短信 "No, you see here They read your messages.
你没意见吗？” Are you okay with that"
这像是我惹孩子心烦的新方法 That's, like, the new way I'm gonna be an annoying parent.
-嘿 -嗨 -Hey. -hi
很长时间我一直在担心 I've been concerned for a long time
对我们的数据和信息的滥用 about how the misuse of our data and information
可能会如何影响我们孩子的未来 could affect my children's future.
但直到2016年大选之后 我才意识到 But it wasn't until after the 2016 election that I realized
这已经发生在眼前 it had already happened on our watch.
真的有一种感觉 好像… It was really, like, a feeling of, like...
关于技术的最坏情况已经出现了 ...the worst-case scenario has happened with technology.
我变得痴迷于寻找答案 I became obsessed with finding answers.
我一直在问自己的问题是 And the question I kept asking myself was:
谁在给我们灌输恐惧？以何种方式？ Who was feeding us fear And how
这是我们的“阿拉莫计划” 是操办特朗普竞选活动的 This was our Project Alamo, where the digital arm of the Trump campaign
数字部门 operation was held.
阿拉莫计划如火如荼的时候 When Project Alamo was at its peak,
他们每天在脸谱网广告上 they were spending one million dollars a day
花一百万美金 on Facebook ads.
我们有脸谱网、视频网站 和谷歌网站的人 We had the Facebook, and YouTube, and Google people.
他们会在这里聚集 They would kind of congregate here.
他们基本上算是我们的实操合作伙伴 I mean, they were basically our hands-on partners
能够尽可能高效地 as far as, you know, being able to utilize the platform
充分利用平台 as effectively as possible.
但我们还发现 But what we also learned
一家名叫剑桥分析的公司… is that a company called Cambridge Analytica...
也致力于阿拉莫计划 was also working on Project Alamo.
剑桥分析之前在这里 Cambridge Analytica was here.
这里算是数据的大脑 And this is kind of the brain of... of, you know, the data.
这是数据中心 This was the data center.
“我们要瞄准这个州 我们要瞄准那个州” "We gotta target this state. We gotta target that state."
-他们怎么知道的？ -在那个… - So, within that... - How would they know that
那是他们的秘方 That's... That's their secret sauce.
-保尔奥利维？ -我在 - Paul-Olivier - I'm there.
好的 我来设置一下屏幕 Okay. Let me just, uh, set up my screen.
我和保尔奥利维德荷 I connected with a mathematician based out of Switzerland
一位瑞士数学家连线了 named Paul-Olivier Dehaye.
我关注剑桥分析一年多了 I've been looking at Cambridge Analytica for over a year
觉得还可以继续挖 and I think there's more to be found.
保尔和我都明白 Both Paul and I understood that
要给人们发送个性化的消息 in order to send people personalized messages,
就需要人们的数据 you need people's data.
让世界天翻地覆的数据
剑桥分析声称每个美国投票者 And Cambridge Analytica claimed to have 5,000 data points
都有五千个数据点 on every American voter.
每个美国人有五千个数据点
但这是隐形的 But it was invisible.
所以问题在于 如何让隐形的东西显形？ And so the question is, how do you make the invisible visible
这是最难的部分… That's the hardest part. Um...
保尔奥利维德荷有一个假设 Paul-Olivier Dehaye had a hypothesis,
假设美国选民的数据 and the hypothesis was that US voter data
是由位于英国的剑桥分析的 was processed by Cambridge Analytica's parent company
母公司处理 in Great Britain.
SCL/剑桥分析 总部
如果这是真的 And if it was true,
我可以找一名英国律师强迫剑桥分析 I could use a British lawyer to force Cambridge Analytica
把我的数据还给我 to give me my data.
我觉得戴维这个案件的美妙之处在于 I think the beauty of David's case is it encapsulates
其中包含了为何数据权应该被视为 基本权利、简单的权利 why data rights should be considered just fundamental rights, simple rights.
因为他想知道的就是 Because all he wants to know
你们到底做了什么？ is what did you do
如果戴维发现他个人资料中的数据… And if David finds out the data beneath his profile,
个人数据申请表
你就开始能用各种方式把线索串起来 you'll start to be able to connect the dots in various ways
串起脸谱网、剑桥分析 特朗普和脱欧 with Facebook and Cambridge Analytica and Trump and Brexit
以及所有关系不紧密的实体 and all these loosely-connected entities.
因为你能看到野兽的内部 Because you get to see inside the beast,
能看到这个体系的内核 you get to see inside the system.
我不是机器人
我曾经是剑桥分析或SCL集团的 I used to be the COO and CFO of the Cambridge
COO和CFO Analytica, or SCL, Group.
如果你和在剑桥分析上班的 大部分人交谈 If you spoke to most people that worked at Cambridge Analytica,
他们会说一样的话 they would say the same thing.
这是伟大创新的环境 It was, uh... an environment of great innovation.
哈啰 我叫亚历山大尼克斯 Hello, my name is Alexander Nix.
我是剑桥分析的CEO I'm CEO of Cambridge Analytica,
世界领先的数据驱动型通讯公司 the world's leading data-driven communications company.
从过去的“广告狂人” 到如今的“数学天才” From Mad Men of old to Math Men of today,
专业数据科学家的洞察力 expert data scientists whose insight
能告诉你更多你想接触的受众的信息 can tell you far more about audiences that you want to reach
以及如何触及他们 and how to reach them.
亚历山大尼克斯非常专注于 打造强势的选举业务 Alexander Nix was very focused on building a strong elections business.
奥巴马的竞选非常成功地使用了数据 And then the Obama campaign very successfully used data
和数字化通讯 and digital communications,
创造了市场机遇 为美国共和党的政治活动 which created a market opportunity to provide a service
提供服务 to Republican politics in the US.
上帝庇佑伟大的爱荷华州 God bless the great state of Iowa.
泰德克鲁兹从初选中 排名最差的候选人 Ted Cruz went from the lowest rated candidate in the primaries
成为特朗普被提名前撑到最后的人 to being the last man standing before Trump got the nomination.
首先 请让我说… Let me first of all say...
他在爱荷华的成功 有力地证实了我们的方法
愿荣耀归于上帝 to God be the glory.
克鲁兹竞选的成功得益于 心理数据与分析
大家都说泰德克鲁兹的 地面攻势十分漂亮 Everyone said Ted Cruz had this amazing ground game,
现在我们知道这是谁出的招了 and now we know who came up with all of it.
现在加入我的是 亚历山大尼克斯 幕后安排一切的公司 Joining me now, Alexander Nix, CEO of Cambridge Analytica,
剑桥分析的CEO the company behind it all.
亚历山大 地面攻势投入的所有工作 It's fascinating, Alexander, to look at all of the work
看得人大开眼界 that goes into the ground game.
其他候选人给你打过电话吗？ Have any of the other candidates called you
这个嘛… Well, um...
发件人：剑桥分析某人 主题：特朗普合同
需要我明天开始合同吗？
今天和诸位谈论 大数据和心理变数的能量 It's my privilege to speak to you today
是我的荣幸 about the power of big data and psychographics.
剑桥分析加入特朗普的竞选时 When Cambridge Analytica joined the Trump campaign,
我们是个有吸引力的提议 we were an attractive proposition.
我们花了14个月 打造泰德克鲁兹的竞选活动 We'd just spent 14 months working on the Ted Cruz campaign,
收集了海量选民数据和研究结果 and had collected a huge amount of voter data and research,
能移交给特朗普的团队 which we were able to hand over to the Trump team.
通过让千千万万美国人 By having hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Americans
做这份调查 undertake this survey,
让我们能建立一个模型 we were able to form a model,
拥有接近四、五千的数据点 where we have somewhere close to four or five thousand data points
可供我们预测 美国每一位成年人的性格 we can use to predict the personality of every adult in the United States.
因为是性格驱动行为 Because it's personality that drives behavior,
行为明显会影响你如何投票 and behavior that obviously influences how you vote.
我们随后能开始向人们投放 We could then start to target people
具有高度针对性的数字视频内容 with highly-targeted digital video content.
国务卿克林顿说她接收的邮件 Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her emails
完全没有被标为机密 either sent or received. Was that true
-那是真的吗？ -不是真的
我们的运动在于替换掉 Our movement is about replacing
失效和腐败的政治体制 a failed and corrupt political establishment.
你可能会问 为何我没有领先50个百分点？ Why aren't I 50 points ahead, you might ask
你真的需要问吗？ Do you really need to ask
非常粗心 希拉里克林顿
危险的心理变态的骗子
美国的决策之夜
今夜将被载入史册 A night that will go down in history,
唐纳德特朗普意外战胜希拉里克林顿 a stunning upset as Donald Trump triumphs over Hillary Clinton,
在民调结果、权威人士和政治阶层 均不看好自己的情况下再次翻盘 defying the polls, the pundits, and the political class once again,
本次当选为美国总统 this time elected president of the United States.
当选总统 唐纳德特朗普
亲爱的亚历山大和团队 恭喜赢得了选举
我们会与你们一同庆祝 顺颂商祺 SCL/剑桥分析 墨西哥
美国！ USA! USA!
谢谢 Thank you.
非常感谢大家 Thank you very much, everybody.
多么美好的夜晚！谢谢大家！ 亚历山大
如果要从这个事件得出一个的结论 If there's one singular takeaway from this event,
那就是这种技术 that is that these sorts of technologies
能发挥巨大作用 can make a huge difference
在未来的许多年会继续如此 and will continue to do so for many years to come.
谢谢 Thank you.
选举之后 真的很激动 After the election, it was really exciting.
我们可以看到 通往市值数十亿美金公司的道路 We could see the path to being a billion-dollar company.
我们处在世界之巅 We were on top of the world.
至少我们自己是那么想的 Or at least we thought we were.
伦敦
《卫报》调查记者 卡罗尔卡德瓦拉德
这是令人激动的箱子 This is the exciting box.
我一直在调查剑桥分析 I've been investigating Cambridge Analytica
以及它与离开欧盟的 脱欧运动之间的关系 and how that ties to the Brexit campaign to leave the European Union.
我可以说 从那时起 我就沉迷于每周七天 And this has been my full-time, 12-hours-a-day,
每天12小时的全职调查 seven-days-a-week kind of obsession, I would say, since then.
这是件耗时耗力的事 It's been all-consuming.
我首次开始观察剑桥分析和脱欧 When I first started looking into this whole web of links
之间的整个关系网络时… between Cambridge Analytica and Brexit...
我给安迪维格莫发了邮件 I emailed Andy Wigmore,
他是奈杰尔法拉奇的助理 who is an associate of Nigel Farage.
奈杰尔法拉奇是脱欧运动的中心人物 And Nigel Farage is a very central figure in the Brexit campaign.
为脱欧奔走20年的男人 在布鲁塞尔得意洋洋
我说：“咱们能去喝杯咖啡吗？ I sort of said, "Oh, can we go for a coffee
我对技术和竞选活动很感兴趣” I'm really interested in technology and campaigning."
然后他就开了话匣子和盘托出 And then he just sort of like, he just like laid it all out.
脱欧坏小子祝贺
下一任美国总统 话题：脱欧先生
在就职典礼之后 It was just after the Inauguration.
安迪给我看了他手机上的所有照片 So, Andy, he was just like sort of, like, showing me all the photos on his phone.
“这是就职典礼” "This is the inauguration."
然后说：“笑得多开怀！ Then, "Oh, it's such a laugh!
我们很开心 哦 唐纳德…” We had such a good time. Oh, Donald..."
我问：“对剑桥分析的介绍 什么时候出来？” And I was like, "How did the introduction to Cambridge Analytica come out"
他说：“是因为奈杰尔 奈杰尔是史蒂夫班农的朋友” He was like, "You know, it's 'cause Nigel. Nigel's friends with Steve Bannon."
女士们先生们 有请史蒂夫班农！ Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Bannon!
史蒂夫班农 领导了特朗普的竞选 Steve Bannon headed the campaign for Trump.
他也是剑桥分析的副主席 He's also the Vice President of Cambridge Analytica.
他说：“美国有很多亿万富翁 So he's like, "Yeah, there's this bunch of billionaires in the States.
我们都有相同目标 We've all got the same aims,
脱欧只是特朗普的培养皿而已” and Brexit was the petri dish for Trump."
我这大半辈子里 美国都是领导 For most of my life, America is the leader.
支持脱欧的政客 奈杰尔法拉奇
我个人倾向于认为 Now, I would like to think, in my own little way,
咱们在脱欧中所做的 that what we did with Brexit
是一个开始 随后将会成为 was the beginning of what is gonna turn out to be
全球性的变革 a global revolution
而特朗普的胜利也是其中一部分 and that Trump's victory is a part of that.
脱欧坏小子 特朗普就职派对
反正他告诉我各种东西 Anyway, and then he told me all sorts of other stuff
关于他们如何使用人工智能 about, you know, how they used artificial intelligence,
他们如何从脸谱网挖掘详细信息 you know, how they were mining details from Facebook
还有… and, um...
他说：“卡罗尔 很让人毛骨悚然” And he was like... And he was like, "It's creepy, Carole!" He said,
“你在人们身上可以获得的信息量… "The amount of information you can get on people...
人们会拱手交给你！” People just give it to you!"
然后说：“这太诡异了！” And he sort of said, "It's just so creepy!"
所以我继续调查 So, I just kind of kept going.
脱欧操作 The Brexit work.
我开始追踪所有剑桥分析的前员工 I'd started tracking down all these Cambridge Analytica ex-employees.
最终我让一个人准备和我谈 And, eventually, I got one guy who was prepared to talk to me.
克里斯崴利 Chris Wylie.
我们打的第一通电话很疯狂 We had this first telephone call, which was insane.
打了八个小时 而且… It was about eight hours long. And...
要炸掉了！
我是克里斯托弗崴利 一名数据科学家 My name is Christopher Wylie, I'm a data scientist
我帮助建立剑桥分析 and I helped set up Cambridge Analytica.
把剑桥分析称为纯粹的数据科学公司 It's incorrect to call Cambridge Analytica
或算法之类的公司 是不确切的 a purely sort of data science company or an algorithm, you know, company.
它是一条龙服务的政宣机器 You know, it is a full-service propaganda machine.
剑桥分析 产品与服务
您曾经是剑桥分析的投资人 You were an investor in Cambridge Analytica.
-我帮助成立了这家公司 -而且…是的 没错 而且… - I helped put the company together. - And... Yes, you did. And...
取了那个响亮的名字 And gave it... And gave it that amazing name.
史蒂夫班农曾是 布莱巴特新闻网的编辑 Steve Bannon was the editor of Breitbart.
他遵循布莱巴特教条的理念 He follows this idea of the Breitbart doctrine,
如果你想从根本上改变社会 which is that, if you want to fundamentally change society,
你首先要打破它 you first have to break it.
只有打破它 And it's only when you break it
你才能按照新社会的愿景来重塑碎片 is when you can remold the pieces into your vision of a new society.
话题：黑人的命也是命
那是史蒂夫班农想打造的武器 This was the weapon that Steve Bannon
用来打他的文化之战 wanted to build to fight his culture war.
我们可以为他造出来 And we could build them for him.
但我需要想出一个获得数据的办法 But I needed to figure out a way of getting data,
所以我去见那些剑桥大学的教授 and so I went to these Cambridge University profs
我问：”您意下如何？“ and asked, "What do you think"
剑桥大学教授 亚历山大科根
一键测试性格
这是你的数字人生
请评价所有问题
科根给我们提供了脸谱网的应用程序 Kogan offered us apps on Facebook that were given special permission
来采集数据 不仅来自使用或加入该程序的人 to harvest data not from just the person who used the app or joined the app,
还会进入他们的整个朋友网络 but also it would then go into their entire friend network
获取所有朋友的数据 and pull out all of the friends' data as well.
如果你有朋友在用这个程序 If you were a friend of somebody who used the app,
你就不知道我获取了你的数据 you would have no idea that I just pulled all of your data.
和白血病斗争很长时间后 我的父亲于今天撒手人寰
我们会攫取状态更新、点赞 We took things like status updates, likes,
某些情况下还有私密信息 in some cases, private messages.
我们不会把你定位成选民 We wouldn't just be targeting you as a voter,
我们会把你当成一种性格来定位 we'd be targeting you as a personality.
我们只需要接触几十万人 We would only need to touch a couple hundred thousand people
就能为全美国的每个选民 to build a psychological profile
建立心理档案 of each voter in all of the United States.
人们不知道自己的数据 被这样获取了吗？ And people had no idea that their data was being taken in this way
对 No.
你都没有停下来思考：“这其实是 人们的个人信息 You didn't ever stop and think,"Actually, this is people's personal information,
我们用人们不明白的方式 获取它、利用它” and we're taking it, and we're using it in ways that they don't understand"
对 No.
在整个历史当中 有一些极不道德实验的例子 Throughout history, you have examples of grossly unethical experiments.
这就是那种东西吗？ Is that what this was
我觉得是 这是极不道德的实验 I think that, yes, it was a grossly unethical experiment.
你们在未经人们同意 或人们没意识到的情况下 You are playing with the psychology of an entire country
玩弄整个国家的心理 without their consent or awareness.
你不仅仅是 And not only are you, like,
在玩弄整个国家的心理 playing with the psychology of an entire nation,
你是在走民主程序的背景中 you're playing with the psychology of an entire nation
玩弄整个国家的心理 in the context of the democratic process.
真相已经开始败露 The revelations have started to spill out.
我们现在不仅发出威胁要采取行动 实际上我们已经在行动 We're now not just threatening to do things, but we're actually doing it.
-好了 我们准好了 诸位 -一、二、三… - Okay, we're ready, guys. - One, two, three...
咱们现在来谈谈正在爆发的丑闻 We turn now to the burgeoning scandal
围绕剖析选民的公司 剑桥分析 around voter-profiling company Cambridge Analytica.
戴维卡洛在英国提起法律诉讼 David Carroll filed a legal challenge in Britain
要求法院强制剑桥分析 asking the court to force Cambridge Analytica
交出在他身上采集的所有数据 to turn over all the data it harvested on him.
请解释一下你的要求 Explain what you are demanding.
全面披露… Uh, full disclosure, so...
他们从哪里获得数据 where did they get our data,
如何处理 与谁分享 how did they process it, who did they share it with,
我们有权选择退出吗？ and do we have a right to opt out
剑桥分析说 Cambridge Analytica says
它获得数百万人身上的五千个数据点 it's got 5,000 data points on many, many millions of people out there.
是的 That's right.
人们能看到监视范围的时候 When people can actually see the extent of the surveillance,
我觉得他们会震惊的 I think they're going to be shocked.
我们不处理脸谱网数据 我们没有脸谱网数据 We don't work with Facebook data. We don't have Facebook data.
我们确实将脸谱网作为打广告的平台 Uh, we do use Facebook as a platform, uh, to advertise.
尼克斯先生 我是第四新闻频道 Mr. Nix, Channel 4 News.
在脸谱网的问题上 您是否误导了国会？ Did you mislead Parliament over the Facebook issue
绝对没有 Absolutely not.
我需要折腾一年 It's crazy that I have to mount a year-long,
在另一个国家发起风险极高的 法律诉讼 super risky legal challenge in another country
才能获得我的选民信息 这太疯狂了 to get my voter profile.
戴维 别停下来 别手下留情 David, don't stop, don't relent.
-继续战斗 -我会的 别担心 - Keep going. Good. - I'm gonna do it, don't worry.
别睡觉！ Don't sleep!
脸谱网股价下跌6.35% Facebook's down 6.35%.
那是1200亿美金 是笔巨款 That's 120 billion dollars.This is huge.
为英国信息专员效力的警官们 Officers working for the UK Information Commissioner
在搜查剑桥分析位于伦敦的总部 are searching the headquarters of Cambridge Analytica, in London.
他们在里面 正在看计算机 They're inside, they're looking at computers,
他们在查找文档 they're looking for documents.
脸谱网大概在两年前 就知道数据收集的情况 Facebook knew about that data collection over two years ago
但直到三天前才告知公众 but did not go public until three days ago.
真的吗 脸谱网？ Really, Facebook
你忘记告诉五千万人 You forgot to mention that 50 million people
他们的隐私数据外泄 had their private data breached,
但我叔叔的朋友的 姐妹的狗每次过生日 but every time it's my uncle's friend's sister's dog's birthday,
我都会接到通知？ I get a notification
祝瑞克斯生日快乐！
你在对抗一家大公司 You are taking on a giant,
一个大数据营销的巨头 a Goliath of big data marketing.
你有多大胜算？ How hopeful are you of succeeding
人们不想承认政治宣传有效果 People don't want to admit that propaganda works.
因为要承认它 就意味着面对我们自己的敏感性 Because to admit it means confronting our own susceptibilities,
极度缺乏隐私 horrific lack of privacy,
以及无望地依赖于 and hopeless dependency
在各种攻击面 on tech platforms ruining our democracies
毁掉我们民主的技术平台 on various attack surfaces.
加入这场斗争 帮助拿回我们的数据 Join the struggle to help get our data back.
2018年3月27日 英国国会 DCMS假新闻质询
欢迎来到我们针对 不实信息和假新闻的质询 Welcome to our inquiry into disinformation and fake news.
我想欢迎克里斯托弗崴利 和保尔奥利维德荷 I'd like to welcome Christopher Wylie and Paul-Olivier Dehaye,
今天上午来到委员会提供证据 uh, to the committee to give evidence this morning.
你们或者任何其他人评估过 Have you or anybody else made any assessment
这种事情 of actually whether any of this
对脱欧公投的最终结果有何影响吗？ made much difference to the final outcome of the EU Referendum
你在奥运会被发现服用兴奋剂时 When... When you're caught in the Olympics doping, right,
不会争论你服用了 多少剂量的违禁药物对吧？ there's not a debate about how much illegal drug you took. Right
或者说：“他反正都能拿第一” Or, "Well,he probably would've come in first anyway,"
抑或说：“他才服用了一半”或者… or, you know, "He only took half of the amount," or...
无所谓 因为你作弊被抓 你就无缘金牌了 对吧？ Doesn't matter. If you're caught cheating, you lose your medal. Right
因为… Because...
如果我们允许在民主程序中作弊 ...if we allow cheating in our democratic process,
那下次怎么办？下下次又怎么办？ what about next time What about the time after that
对吧？你不应该靠作弊来获胜 Right You shouldn't win by cheating.
很多人会说 我会说 A lot of people will say, and I'll say, um,
鉴于你和这些人 that given that you're someone who worked
密切合作了一段时间 very closely with these people,uh, for a period of time,
为何你决定发言反对这件事 why have you decided to speak out against it
还提供证据反对你曾经的同事？ and give evidence against people who used to be your colleagues
与你所创造的东西 It's a process of coming to terms with what you've created
及其产生的影响达成妥协是一个过程 and the impact that that... that... that has had.
我在创建过程中的角色让我极度悔恨 Um, I am incredibly remorseful for my... my role in setting it up.
但有很多人注意力都在我身上 因为我算事某种…我成为… But there's been a lot of attention on me because I'm sort of... I've become the...
抛头露面的人 因为我是那个… uh, you know, the face of it, because I'm the one that's...
走出来 爆出名字的人 come forward and put my name to it.
但你们应该喊来委员会的另一个人 是布瑞特妮凯瑟 But someone else that you should be calling to the committee is Brittany Kaiser.
谁是布瑞特妮凯瑟？ Who's Brittany Kaiser
发件人：布瑞特妮凯瑟
需要我明天开始合同吗？
回：支持唐纳德特朗普竞选总统
干得好 布瑞特妮 你很出色 艾利克斯
我没兴趣拥护 显然不在乎其他人最大利益的 I'm not that interested in standing up for powerful white men anymore
有权势的白种男人了 who obviously don't have everybody's best interests at heart.
大料！
布瑞特妮凯瑟 曾是剑桥分析的核心成员 Brittany Kaiser, once a key player inside Cambridge Analytica,
把自己塑造成一位告密者 casting herself as a whistle-blower.
直到三周前 高级行政人员 布瑞特妮凯瑟 Until three weeks ago, Brittany Kaiser, a top exec there,
拥有史蒂夫班农 华盛顿联排别墅的钥匙 she had a key to Steve Bannon's townhouse in Washington.
她2016年和凯利安康威 在保守派政治行动会上发表讲话 She spoke at CPAC in 2016, along with Kellyanne Conway,
还与捐款大亨瑞贝卡莫西 spent election night at the Trump victory party
在特朗普的庆功派对共度选举之夜 with mega-donor Rebekah Mercer.
她的履历挺不寻常
凯瑟小姐 Miss Kaiser
与支持脱欧的百万富翁亚伦班克斯 was also closely involved with millionaire Brexit supporter
及其脱欧团的运动关系密切 Arron Banks and his Leave. EU campaign.
剑桥分析告密者 布瑞特妮凯瑟
受够了谎言
她不是告密者
他提出了一些有意思的事情 She's raising some interesting things.
你觉得她现在为什么开口？ Why is she talking now, do you think
她只抖出了冰山一角 Well, she only gave us part of the picture.
她在和调查者谈话 She's talking to investigators,
所以我们随后会了解全貌… and so we'll know the full picture at some point later...
如果布瑞特妮凯瑟开口 这会是爆炸性新闻
泰国某处
我有证据 I have evidence
能证明脱欧活动和特朗普竞选 that the Brexit campaigns and the Trump campaign
是非法进行的 could've been conducted illegally.
所以出于我自身安全的考虑 我不需要说出这里具体的地理位置 And so, for my own safety, I don't need geolocation of where this is.
就我一个人坐在这里… Just me sitting here...
布瑞特妮凯瑟
试图推翻两个行政机构 the person trying to overthrow two administrations
以及全世界最有势力的公司 and all of the most powerful companies in the world,
把它们一举扳倒 all at once.
凭借一段杂乱无章 但希望很快变得行云流水的叙述 With one disjointed but hopefully-soon-seamless narrative.
最有钱的公司就是技术公司 The wealthiest companies are technology companies.
谷歌、脸谱网、亚马逊、特斯拉 Google, Facebook, Amazon, Tesla.
这些公司 And the reason why these companies
成为世界上最有势力的公司 are the most powerful companies in the world
是因为去年 数据在价值上超越石油 is because, last year, data surpassed oil in its value.
数据是地球上最宝贵的资产 Data is the most valuable asset on Earth.
这些公司很值钱 And these companies are valuable
因为他们在剥削人们的资产 because they have been exploiting people's assets.
直到有一个朋友来找我 It wasn't until one of my friends reached out to me
问我的情况是否还好 to ask was I going to be all right
毕竟我的故事被这样载入历史 with the way that my story would be seen in history.
我心想：“不 And I thought, "No.
我其实不好” I'm not okay, actually."
可能我给得出很多信息 And there's probably a lot of information that I could give
可以帮助拨乱反正 that would be helpful to making things okay, possibly.
你还好吗？
今天需要建议
我两周前就不替剑桥分析效力了
作家/政治技术专家 保尔希尔德
我是一个政治技术专家 I'm a political technologist
试图突出显示 who tries to shine a big light
数据被如何使用和滥用 on how data's been used and abused.
这个时候 人们会有一种本能的直觉 It's a moment where people have that visceral sense.
觉得出问题了 There is, you know,
我们需要解决 uh, that we need to fix.
我差不多放下手中所有事情 And so, I've dropped pretty much everything I was doing
来和布瑞特妮凯瑟处理这件事 to work on this with Brittany Kaiser.
我去找她 和她见面 I went and found her and met her,
她很乐意提供信息 and she was very forthcoming
不禁让我觉得信息量好大啊 in a way which made me think, "There's a lot here."
保守派政治行动会议
我们真正需要明白的是 人们说服的手段 What we really need to be understanding is people's levers of persuasion.
我们实际上要如何给选民发消息 从而让他们… How are we actually going to message voters so that they can under...
蒂娜和我与布瑞特妮凯瑟见面 Tina and I met with Brittany Kaiser.
我们看上去和其它政治和通讯企业 非常不一样 所以… We look very unlike any other political and communications firm, so...
你们和两党合作吗？ Do you work both sides of the aisle
没有 我们只为美国共和党效力 Uh, no, we only work for the Republicans in the United States.
我们拿下爱荷华了！
那在英国呢？ And in Britain
其实我们现在正致力于脱欧运动 Well, actually, right now we're working on the Brexit campaign.
是的 我们在脱欧团会开展 At Leave. EU, we're going to be running a large-scale research
全国性的大规模调查 来搞清楚 throughout the nation to really understand
人们想留在欧盟和脱离欧盟的原因 why people are interested in staying in or out of the EU.
这些答案有助于让我们基于 更多信息来制定政策和进行沟通 And the answers to that will help inform our policy and our communications,
确保比以往争取到更多 第一次投票的选民 to make sure that we turn out more first-time voters,
更多未注册的选民 更多无动于衷的选民 more unregistered voters, more apathetic voters than ever before.
你需要坐下来 审视灵魂
开始为自己写下这件事的真相
出什么事了 一五一十写下来
你可以用来做点好事
我觉得咱们现在已经做好了铺垫… I think we now have the foundations laid for...
让她来分享一些适度的爆炸性材料 her to share what is some reasonably explosive materials
我们一直在找的那种 that we've been finding.
她的收件箱和硬盘 Uh, and, uh... her inbox and her hard drive,
真的是富含粗略信息的宝库 uh, really are a treasure trove of... uh, sketchy information.
我们才触摸到冰山一角 And we're still just scratching the surface.
跟我们说说 你在特朗普大厦的初次会面吧 Tell us about the first meeting you had in Trump Tower.
2015年11月 In November 2015,
我和亚历山大尼克斯去见 科瑞利万道斯基 I went with Alexander Nix to go see Corey Lewandowski,
他是时任竞选经理 who was the campaign manager at the time.
我问科瑞为何这个地方 看着这么眼熟？ And I asked Corey, why could this place possibly look so familiar
他说：这是《飞黄腾达》的片场 And he said, "This is the set of The Apprentice.
可能是你认出来的原因 That's probably why you recognize it." And...
我有点震惊 I was kind of shocked, you know
特朗普的竞选总部是真人秀的片场 The Trump campaign HQ is a reality TV set.
是的 Yes. It is.
一家公司… And the idea of a company...
进行大规模的人群分析 conducting large-scale analysis of a population...
然后确定 能让人们从一个状态 ...and then identifying the triggers that people have
转变成另一个状态的触发因素 这个想法 in terms of what's gonna move them from one state to another state,
感觉是在挑战 that feels very challenging
个人的自主感和自由 to the individual's sense of autonomy and freedom...
以及民主的理念 and to the idea of democracy.
是吗？ Doesn't it
我说不准…我会去挑战 I don't know. Um... I would challenge that.
这个策略主要是为了 What this strategy is mostly meant to do
确定还在考虑 is to identify people who are still considering
-诸多不同选项的人们… -是的 - many different options... - Yes.
让他们知道一些选项 ...and educate them on some of the options that are out there,
如果他们持观望态度 and if they're on the fence,
那他们就可以被说服做出某种选择 then they can be persuaded to go one way or the other.
-是的 -话说回来 这是他们自己的选择 但… - Yes, they can. - Uh, again, that is their own choice.But a lot of the times...
是吗？ Is it
-他们都是个体… -那是他们自己的选择吗？ - ...these are individuals that... - Is it their own choice
最终 是他们走向投票箱做出决定 In the end, they're the ones that go to the ballot box and make their ch... decision.
我是把你当作布瑞特妮凯瑟来提问 I mean, I'm asking you these questions as Brittany Kaiser.
-我知道 -好吗？ - I know. - Right
我不会把你当成剑桥分析 或SCL来提问 I'm not asking you these questions as Cambridge Analytica or SCL,
因为你已经不是那种身份了 对吧？ because that's not who you are anymore. Right
我明白 不过… I get it. I get it. But...
你觉得剑桥分析 And do you think Cambridge Analytica
是否涉嫌过违反人权？ was ever involved in the contravention of people's human rights
没有 No.
但话说回来 我听得越多 就开始质疑很多事情 But, again, I start to question a lot of things the more I hear.
是啊 Yeah.
在那之前 我的整个职业生涯 都致力于人权 I mean, I had spent my entire career before that working for human rights.
好吧 Okay.
咱们再回到那个状态 Let's go back to that.
也没那么久 十年而已 It wasn't that long ago. Just a decade.
-也没那么久 -是啊 - It wasn't that long ago. - Yeah.
这是我们的小狗 2006年3月31日
我从14或15岁起 就开始做竞选工作 I had worked in elections since I was 14 or 15.
我和表亲说 我申请了奥巴马竞选的实习生 I told my cousin I applied to intern on the Obama campaign.
她说：”我的天 She was like, "Oh, my God.
你最好拿下那份实习工作 不然我死给你看“ You better get that internship, or I'll die."
我是运营奥巴马脸谱网团队的成员 I was part of the team running Obama's Facebook.
我们发明了使用社交媒体 和选民沟通的方式 We invented the way social media is used to communicate with voters.
感谢你的支持
随后我花了七年时间致力于人权 I then spent several years working on human rights
和国际关系 and international relations,
最初是国际特赦组织 first for Amnesty International,
然后在联合国、欧洲议会进行游说 then lobbying at the United Nations and European Parliament.
来自海牙的问候
我习惯于把我爱人权运动挂在嘴上 And I used to always say I love human rights campaigning,
但我有时觉得自己在做无用功 but sometimes I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall
因为我看不到自己努力的结果 because I can't see the results of what I'm doing.
我不知道自己是否在浪费时间 I don't know if I'm literally just wasting my time.
这个时候我见到了亚历山大尼克斯 And that's where I was when I met Alexander Nix.
我们的朋友觉得介绍我们认识 会是一件趣事 Friends of ours thought it would be a good joke to introduce us.
他很有兴趣了解关于我和民主党人 打交道的经历 He was very interested in learning more about my experience with the Democrats.
他给了我名片 说 He gave me his card and said,
”让我把你灌醉 偷走你的秘密“ "Let me get you drunk and steal your secrets."
2014年12月 他给了我一份工作 And in December 2014, he offered me a job.
共和党总统候选人辩论 嘉宾
遇到一家你能真正看到 自己影响力的公司 Coming across a company where you could actually see your impact
对我来说很激动 was really exciting for me.
我在衣着和言谈方面 I got a little more conservative or posh
变得更加保守或优雅了一点 in terms of the way that I dressed and the way that I spoke,
我周末会去射击 and doing things like going on shooting at the weekends
做些这样的事 and stuff like that.
和我平时花时间做的事情很不一样 It's just very different to what I would normally spend my time doing.
肯定很惊险吧 Must've been a hell of an adventure.
真的很有趣 It was really interesting.
绑好我的牛仔靴 I strapped on my cowboy boots,
进入角色 成为美国步枪协会(NRA)成员 got into character, got my NRA membership.
-你加入NRA了对吧？ -是啊 - Yeah, you joined the NRA, right - I did, yeah.
就是想明白这些人是怎么想的 Just to understand how these people think,
我不想用枪 我对枪完全没兴趣 I don't want to use guns.I'm not really interested in guns at all.
我觉得我开始了解… I felt like I was getting to know...
我曾经极不赞同的人们 people that I used to disagree with a lot,
比如我的祖父母、阿姨、叔叔、表亲 like my grandparents, my aunts, uncles, cousins.
所以并非穿上一身行头 让你就觉得这件事情重要了？ So this wasn't just an outfit that you put on, and it felt important
过去确实重要 现在也重要 It was important. It is important.
我觉得美国政治的主要问题 I feel like the main problem in US politics
就是人们两极分化 彼此不理解 is that people are so polarized that they can't understand each other,
所以没法合作 于是什么事都干不成 and therefore they can't work together, and therefore nothing gets done.
我要为参议员起草一些问题 I am about to draft some questions for a senator
他能在周二的参议院司法听证会上 who will be able to ask them to Mark Zuckerberg
向马克扎克伯格抛出这些问题 in the Senate Judiciary hearing on Tuesday.
”脸谱网的收益有多少 "How much of Facebook's revenue
直接来自 comes directly from the monetization
将用户的个人数据货币化？“ of users' personal data"
全部都是 All of it!
正是 Exactly.
事实是脸谱网 The reality is that Facebook knows more about this
比世界上的任何人都更明白这一点 than pretty much anyone in the world
因为脸谱网是进行实验的最佳平台 because Facebook is the best platform on which to run experiments.
是的 Yeah, it is. Um, it...
它往往能给你最好的接触率 And it actually always gets you the best engagement rates.
我们通常把大部份广告的钱 We always spend the majority amount of money
或政治活动的钱花在脸谱网上 on any commercial or political campaign in Facebook.
始终能得到大部分广告预算 Always gets the majority of the ad budget.
确实如此 It does, it does.
至少有这种可能 就是美国大众 There is at least the possibility that the American public
和其他国家的大众都被用来做实验了 and publics in other countries have been experimented on.
请评价所有问题
记得脸谱网上那些测验吗？ Remember those Facebook quizzes that we used
我们用来给所有美国选民制作 性格模型的 to form personality models for all voters in the US
事实上 我们没有 均等定位每个美国选民 The truth is, we didn't target every American voter equally.
我们资源的大部分 The bulk of our resources
都用来定位那些 我们觉得可以改变想法的人 went into targeting those whose minds we thought we could change.
我们将他们称为”可说服的人“ We called them "the persuadables."
他们遍布这个国家 They're everywhere in the country,
但重要的可说服的人是摇摆州的那些 but the persuadables that mattered were the ones in swing states
比如密歇根、威斯康辛 宾夕法尼亚和佛罗里达 like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
现在这些州都按照选区分解开来 Now, each of these states were broken down by precinct.
你可以说这个选区有22000个 可说服的选民 So, you can say there are 22,000 persuadable voters in this precinct,
如果我们在正确的选区定位足够多 可说服的人 and if we target enough persuadable people in the right precincts,
那这些州就会变红 而不是变蓝 then those states would turn red instead of blue.
我们的创意团队设计了个性化的内容 Our creative team designed personalized content
来触发这些个体 to trigger those individuals.
恐怖分子喜欢破碎国境 Terrorists love porous borders.
边境安全的普遍空隙让恐怖分子… Widespread gaps in border security allow terrorists...
我们通过博客、网站文章 视频、广告对他们狂轰滥炸… We bombarded them through blogs, websites, articles, videos, ads,
你能想到的每个平台 every platform you can imagine.
直到他们看到 我们想让他们看到的世界 Until they saw the world the way we wanted them to.
直到他们为我们的候选人投票 Until they voted for our candidate.
它就像个回旋镖 It's like a boomerang.
你把数据发出去 You send your data out,
它被分析 it gets analyzed,
然后作为有针对性的消息回到你身上 and it comes back at you as targeted messaging
来改变你的行为 to change your behavior.
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DCMS委员会宣布了后面要参与 DCMS Committee announced the future witnesses
假新闻质询的证人 for a fake news inquiry.
-你在这里 -我 - There you are. You're... - Me.
-你在亚历山大前面一天 -前CEO - You're the day before Alexander. - The former CEO.
后续的证人
他会在我后面一天去 He's going the day after me
布瑞特妮凯瑟 亚历山大尼克斯
是的 开始觉得有点真实了吗？ Yes. Is it... Is it all feeling a bit real
真是紧锣密鼓 It's really intense.
是真的 It's real.
而且是大阵仗 And it's big.
剑桥分析事件对我们的民主 提出重要质疑
对数据顺藤摸瓜：是否有法律文档 将脱欧运动和美国亿万富翁关联？
我第一次写关于剑桥分析的内容 The first time I wrote about Cambridge Analytica,
是2016年12月 it was December 2016.
我说他们效力于特朗普的竞选 I said that they'd worked for the Trump campaign
和脱欧运动 and for the Brexit campaign.
特朗普和脱欧
我开始收到他们的信 写着 And I started getting letters from them saying,
”我们从未致力于脱欧团的运动“ "We never worked for the Leave campaign."
剑桥分析并未 有偿或无偿为脱欧团工作过
这令人一头雾水 因为脱欧团的网站 And this was baffling because on Leave. EU's website,
写着：“我们雇佣了剑桥分析” it said, "We hired Cambridge Analytica."
亚历山大尼克斯还陈述过他们如何 There were statements from Alexander Nix about how they worked
为脱欧团的运动效力 for the Leave campaign.
恐怕我们不再谈那场运动了 完全不谈了 Yeah, I'm afraid we don't talk about that campaign. At all.
没谈过吗？还是谈过？ You didn't Or you did
不 我们不讨论这个 No, no, we don't discuss it.
-好吧 -嗯 - Okay. Not at all. - Yeah.
那时我发现了脱欧团的 And that was when I discovered this video
这段新闻发布会的视频 of Leave. EU's press launch.
我说 瞧啊 布瑞特妮凯瑟！ And I was like, well, there, look, it's Brittany Kaiser!
她在剑桥分析做事 She works for Cambridge Analytica.
她在那场新闻发布会上 She's at the press launch
谈论所有他们会为脱欧团运动 talking about all the clever things
利用数据采取的智能操作 that they're going to do with data for the Leave Campaign.
搞什么鬼！ Like, what the fuck
你怎么能继续否认！你疯了吧！ How can you carry on denying it This is nuts!
脱欧团
就在这个时候 脱欧团开始散播 And it was exactly the same time that Leave. EU started posting
关于我的糟糕视频 the horrible videos of me.
我要离开这里！ I've gotta get out of here!
这是一段飞机场景的恶搞视频！ There was a spoof video of a scene from Airplane!
-控制住自己！ -请让我来 - Get a hold of yourself! - Please, let me handle this.
一大串的人说：“别这么歇斯底里！” There was like a whole stream of people going, "Don't be so hysterical!"
还揍了她 And, like, hitting her.
回到你的座位上！我来处理 Go back to your seat! I'll take care of this.
他说：“冷静！给我冷静！” It was like, "Calm down! Calm down!"
一整行的人 后面还有个拿着把枪 And, you know, so a whole line of people,and then the last person's carrying a gun.
整个桥段的配乐 And the whole thing they had,
是俄罗斯国歌 it was set to the music from the Russian national anthem.
脱欧团的视频放出来的第二天 The day after that Leave. EU video was put out,
我要报道的另一家新闻机构的编辑 the editor of another news organization that I was going to do a report for
带我去吃午餐 说道 took me for lunch and said,
“其实我们觉得让你发这篇报道 风险有点太大” "Actually, we think it's too much of a risk having you present the report."
快看 - 随着俄罗斯阴谋论加深 卡罗尔卡德瓦拉德遭受打击
这是在这种不实信息和日常政宣的 耳濡目染之下 It is this sort of visceral thing of living with this disinformation
一种本能的东西 and this propaganda every single day.
并且感受到它的作用 知道它有作用 And feeling the effects of it and knowing that it does work,
它影响现实生活 无论人们相信与否 it does have an impact in real life, whether people believe that or not.
我习惯了写新闻 You know, I'm used to just writing stories.
写完一个主题接着写下一个 You write it, and then you go on to the next subject.
我是专栏作家 那是我的工作 但我心想 他们撒谎了 I'm a feature writer, that's what I did. But I was just like, "They've lied."
他们对一件大事撒谎了 And they're lying about something which is actually really massive.
因为这是… 'Cause it's, you know, the...
我们国家剩下的未来 rest of the future of our country.
-奈杰尔 你怎么看？ -奈杰尔！ -What do you think, -Nigel
临界点 欧盟让我们都失望了
在全民公投中 大部分人都有定见 In the referendum, most people had very fixed views.
但还有一小部分人没有 But there was a tiny sliver of people who didn't.
这些人是可说服的 These were "the persuadables."
目的在于找到极少数的这些人 It was all about finding these very few people
然后用广告对他们狂轰滥炸 and then bombarding them with ads.
会“提高罪犯和恐怖分子 的流动性”
这对我们所有人而言都是隐形的 This is the thing which was invisible to all of us.
让6月23日在历史上 成为我们的独立日！ Let June the 23rd go down in our history as our independence day!
英国人发话了 答案是：“我们退出” The British people have spoken, and the answer is, "We're out."
无论是好是坏 For good or for ill,
这个决定会定义我们未来几年的政治 this decision will define our politics for years to come.
意识到这个伟大的国家 犯了一个严重错误！ This great country has made a terrible mistake.
地震已经发生了 It's an earthquake that has happened.
地震之后会发生什么？我们拭目以待 And what happens after earthquakes We wait to see.
人们不赞同脱欧团的意思 People weren't agreed on what Leave meant.
-很简单：离开 句号 -脱欧团没有宣言 - It's simple: leave. Full stop. - Was no manifesto for Leave.
但没有“离开 句号…” But there is no "leave, full stop..."
脱欧！ Brexit! Brexit! Brexit!
伦敦
为了安全着想 In the interest of safety,
建议家长不要把儿童放在行李车上 parents are advised not to carry children on baggage trolleys
或让他们在自动扶梯上玩耍… or allow them to play on the escalators.
嗨 妈妈！ Hi, Mama!
我通过了... I'm through, I'm through, I'm through, yeah.
我成功进入英国 没遇到问题 So, I managed to get into the United Kingdom with no issues,
这真的很棒 which is really fantastic.
我就是想让你做好心理准备 Well, I just want you to mentally be okay with this,
因为你正在做的是不朽的事业 'cause what you're doing is a monumental undertaking.
我知道 I know.
我还是担心你的人身安全 And I still fear for your life.
嗯 Yeah.
牵涉到有权势的人… With the powerful people that are involved...
嗯 我知道 Yeah, I know.
你要一直小心 You just have to be careful all the time.
我知道 但我不能因为 会让有权势的人发疯 就不发声 I know, but I can't keep quiet just because it'll make powerful people mad.
我知道 知道的 我明白 I know. I know, I know, I know. I know.
我完全明白 I totally get that, you know.
总得有人来扳倒这些混蛋 Somebody's always got to bring down these jerks.
正是 Exactly.
话说回来 反正 So, you know, anyway.
下个月我有时间的话 When I have time off next month,
我得去交电费和煤气费押金 I've gotta go and put deposits down on electric and gas.
我手头上没有一千美金 所以我要等等 I don't have $1,000 right now, so I'll have to wait.
我可以付钱 Well, I could... I could pay for it. That means...
别担心 我现在不需要 Oh, don't worry, I don't need it right now.
好吧 宝贝 你保重 All right, honey, you stay healthy.
-爱你 -注意安全 宝贝 我爱你 -Love you. -Be safe, honey. I love you.
-我爱你 拜拜 -拜拜 宝贝 -I love you. Bye-bye. -Bye-bye, baby.
我很高兴回来 I'm really happy to be back,
但我觉得在这里的时候 不能经常抛头露面 but I don't think I can really do much going out in public while I'm here.
上次我离开的时候 Last time I left,
我和很多朋友都陷入极度困难的处境 I was in a very difficult situation with a lot of my friends.
-防火门一号？ -是的 - So fire door number one - Yes.
很多人都对我致力于脱欧运动 感到非常愤怒 So many people were so angry that I was working on the Brexit campaign,
对我在一家支持泰德克鲁兹 和唐纳德特朗普这种人的公司 so angry I continued to work for a company that supported
继续工作感到愤怒 people like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.
还有一群人在纳闷 And there's still this whole group of people that are wondering,
“我要金盆洗手 还是做一些事情自保？” am I taking the high road, or am I doing something to protect myself
周末有更多关于脸谱网的新闻 More news on Facebook over the weekend,
因为马克扎克伯格准备明天和周三 as Mark Zuckerberg prepares to testify before Congress
在国会接受质询 tomorrow and Wednesday.
今天早些时候 他宣布公司要采取 Earlier this morning, he announced some new measures
一些新措施来防止干扰大选… in the company's efforts to prevent interference in elections...
这是今天的《金融时报》 It's today's FT.
我的名字出现在 《金融时报》头版的顶端 My name's at the top of the front page of the FT.
天啊 Oh, shit.
在这里 There it is.
“扎克伯格准备接受国会拷问 "Zuckerberg braced for Congress grilling.
脸谱网首席执行官会承认社交媒体 Facebook chief will admit that the social network did not do enough
在阻止其工具被用来做坏事方面 做得不够” to stop its tools being used for harm."
“脸谱网应该为二十亿用户的 个人数据付钱 "Facebook should pay its two billion users for their personal data.
大技术公司逐渐演化为盗贼统治 The big tech companies are evolving into digital kleptocracies.
昨天…” Yesterday."
我好像漏掉那一段了 I sort of missed the paragraph of, like,
“我帮助打造了这头怪物 "I helped build this monster
它对… that...
我希望脸谱网成为灯塔
世界造成严重破坏 需要数十年才能恢复 wreaked havoc upon the world and will take decades to recover from,
我真的感觉很糟糕” 我在这没看到那一段 and I feel really bad about that." I don't see that here.
数据大战开打了 The data wars have begun.
脸谱网CEO马克扎克伯格 涉及用户数据
参议员司法委员会和商业委员会
这家公司是一个超级巨头 I mean, this is a company that is a superstate,
唯一能管辖它的国家就是我们美国 and the only nation that has jurisdiction over it is ours.
司法及商业、科学和运输委员会 The Committees on the Judiciary and Commerce, Science and Transportation
即将开庭 will come to order.
格拉斯利主席和委员会成员们 Chairman Grassley and members of the committee:
我优先考虑的 一直是连接人们 My top priority has always been our social mission of connecting people,
打造社区、让世界更紧密的社交使命 building community, and bringing the world closer together.
但现在很明显 我们在防止这些工具 But it's clear now that we didn't do enough to prevent these tools
不被用来作恶方面 做得还不够 from being used for harm as well.
在我谈到要采取的应对步骤之前 Before I talk about the steps we're taking to address them,
我想讲一讲我们是如何走到这一步的 I want to talk about how we got here.
我第一次联系剑桥分析时 When we first contacted Cambridge Analytica,
他们告诉我们 他们删除了数据 they told us that they had deleted the data.
大概一个月前 我们听到新报告 About a month ago,
暗示真实情况并非如此 we heard new reports that suggested that wasn't true.
所以我们刨根问底 了解剑桥分析到底做了什么 So, we're getting to the bottom of exactly what Cambridge Analytica did.
把责任往我身上推吧 马克 加油 Blame it on me, Mark. Go for it.
来解决这个问题 防止再次发生 ...to address this and to prevent it from happening again.
感谢今天让我过来 我准备好接受提问了 Thank you for having me here today, and I'm ready to take your questions.
扎克伯格先生 Well, Mr. Zuckerberg,
2016年竞选活动期间 during the 2016 campaign,
剑桥分析和特朗普的竞选活动合作 Cambridge Analytica worked with the Trump campaign
来改进阿拉莫计划的战术 to refine tactics under Project Alamo.
脸谱网的员工参与此事吗？ Were Facebook employees involved in that
参议员 我不知道我们员工 与剑桥分析有关联 Senator, I don't know that our employees were involved with Cambridge Analytica.
-他们参与了 -哇！ - Yes, they were. - Whoa!
我的天 Oh, my God.
华盛顿的共和党团队 我见了他们 The Republican team in DC was. I met them.
不过我知道我们确实整体上 帮助了特朗普的竞选 ...although I know that we did help out the Trump campaign overall
在销售支持方面 就像我们支持其它竞选活动一样 in sales support in the same way that we do with other campaigns.
所以在那段时间 So, they may have been involved
他们可能参与并合作了？ and all working together during that time period
也许你的调查会发现的 Maybe that's something your investigation will find out.
参议员 我一定会让我的团队告知您 Senator, I can certainly have my team get back to you
我今天坐在这里不了解的 任何具体问题 on any specifics there that I don't know sitting here today.
我的天 这就是整个听证会的重点啊 你居然… Oh, my God. This is the whole point of the hearing, you...
-你知道我在说什么吗？ -不 我不知道 - Know what I'm talking about - No, I do not.
好吧 Okay.
你觉得8千7百万用户… 你把他们当成受害者吗？ Do you think the 87 million users, do you consider them victims
参议员 我觉得… Uh, Senator, I think...
是的 他们不希望自己的信息 Yes. I mean, they... they did not want their information to be
被开发者卖给剑桥分析 而且… sold to Cambridge Analytica by a developer. And... And...
事情发生了 that happened.
在我们眼前发生了 And it happened on our watch.
尽管不是我们做的 So even though we didn't do it,
但我觉得我们有责任要能阻止这件事 I think we have a responsibility to be able to prevent that
要能更快采取行动 and be able to take action sooner.
我们现在要采取的行动之一 One of the steps that we need to take now
就是全面审核所有剑桥分析的系统 is go do a full audit of all of Cambridge Analytica's systems
搞清楚他们在做什么 他们是否还有任何数据… to understand what they're doing, whether they still have any data...
显然 脸谱网和剑桥分析的关联 Obviously, Facebook has been done considerable reputational damage
对自己的名誉产生重创 by its association with Cambridge Analytica.
由剑桥分析处理… ...process by which Cambridge Analytica...
和剑桥分析有关… ...relates to Cambridge Analytica...
最近关于剑桥分析的新闻 The recent stories about Cambridge Analytica
以及数据挖掘… and data mining...
看看多少人在发扎克伯格的帖子… Look at how many people are posting Zuckerberg...
-所有人都在看 -我的天 - Everyone's watching this. - Oh, my God.
整个事情就是在不停地说… And the whole thing just says...
剑桥… ...Cambridge, Cambridge, Cambridge.
我从未想过世界上的每个人 都会知道剑桥分析是何许人也 I never thought everyone in the world would know who Cambridge Analytica was.
话题：剑桥分析
我在那段时期学到了很多 I learnt many things from that period.
比如我学到了 如果你身陷公关危机 I learnt, for example, that when you're in a PR crisis,
那你唯一找不到的就是公关公司 the one thing that you can't hire is a PR crisis company.
我们和几十家… We spoke to...
公关危机公司谈话 他们听得很认真 ...tens of PR crisis companies that listened intently,
走开思考方案 回来之后说 went away to think about it, and came back and said,
“抱歉 我们不能 和你们品牌产生关联” "Sorry, we can't associate ourselves with your brand."
其实我觉得那正是他们应该做的事 Um... And actually, I thought that's what they were there, um, for.
所以要发声变得不可能 And so it became impossible to, um... to get a voice.
我们今天召开这场新闻发布会的原因 The reason that we've called this news conference today
是开始反驳一些无根据的指控 is to begin to counter some of the unfounded allegations
老实说 还有洪流般不准确的 和信息不足的情况下的揣测 and, frankly, the torrent of ill-informed and inaccurate speculation.
公司几乎被描绘成某些领域的…
007电影中的恶棍
剑桥分析不是恶棍
你觉得他们做的事情违法吗？ Do you think what was done was illegal
我们觉得根据英国法律 We think it is probably illegal
这可能是违法的 这是我们在质疑的 according to UK law, and that's what we're challenging.
我们倒是有一份剑桥分析的表态 We do have a statement from Cambridge Analytica.
剑桥说 Cambridge said,
“戴维卡洛并不比 坐在阿富汗洞穴里的塔利班成员 "David Carroll has no more right to submit this request
更有权利提交这份请求” than a member of the Taliban sitting in a cave in Afghanistan."
深入特朗普竞选活动与 剑桥分析的纽带
如同海啸袭来 And it came like a tsunami.
每天有3万5千条媒体报道 There were 35,000 media stories per day.
剑桥分析欺诈
剑桥分析有多见不得光？
他们想败坏特朗普的名声 They wanted to discredit Trump,
他们想抹黑脱欧 they wanted to discredit Brexit,
我们是被利用的工具 and we were the vehicle for doing it.
你是否觉得自己让民主偏颇了？ Do you feel that you have skewed democracy
通过为公平提名为 美国共和党代表的候选人 By providing campaign services to a candidate who'd been fairly nominated
提供竞选服务吗？ as the Republican representative of the United States
那怎么可能？ How is that possible
剑桥分析的大阴谋论
剑桥分析似乎 Cambridge Analytica became responsible
要为世界上所有的错事负责 for pretty much everything that was wrong in the world.
剑桥分析CEO就爱两样
昂贵的树状大吊灯和毁灭世界
你是说剑桥分析撒谎了吗？ Are you saying that Cambridge Analytica lies
他们故意歪曲真相 They knowingly misrepresent the truth.
你有什么证据？ What's your proof of that
我当时在里面 I was there.
克里斯崴利说起2015到2016年 Chris Wylie spoke with great authority
他不在这工作的那段日子里 about what had gone on in Cambridge Analytica and SCL
剑桥分析和SCL发生的事情时 during 2015 and 2016,
仿佛斩钉截铁 at a time when he was never there.
他在公司干了九个月 2014年离开了 He had worked for the company for nine months, left in 2014.
然后他想去为特朗普做宣传 He then went out and pitched the Trump campaign,
后来输给了我们 and lost to us.
克里斯崴利打算灭了这家公司 Chris Wylie set out to kill the company.
那布瑞特妮呢？ And what about Brittany
我不知道布瑞特妮之前在做什么 I don't know what Brittany was doing.
我以为布瑞特妮… Brittany was someone that...
是朋友 我知道亚历山大当她是朋友 I thought was a friend, I know Alexander thought was a friend.
但你也知道 But, you know,
当世界天翻地覆时 when the world gets turned upside down,
人们的行为方式就不一样了 people behave in different ways.
也许连他们都不明白 Maybe even they don't understand
为什么要做自己当时在做的事 why they're doing what they're doing at the time.
我会强烈推荐咱们开始准备证词 I would strongly recommend that we start doing testimony prep.
整体浏览一遍邮件 Uh, go through the emails together,
或者浏览一遍其它东西 充分讨论会发生的情况 maybe go through other stuff and hash out what's there.
我的天 我有自己完整的日程表 Oh, my God. I have my entire calendar.
天啊 Shit. Shit.
-你有自己完整的日程表？ -我有自己完整的日程表 - You have your entire calendar - I have my entire calendar.
我的天 Oh, my God.
下载了吗？ Downloaded
我没想到还能链接上 I didn't think that that was going to still link.
太棒了 That's amazing.
我其实可以给一切事情做出时间轴 如果是那样的话 I can actually do an entire timeline of everything, if that's the case.
时间轴很棒 A timeline is great.
靠 看这个 Fuck, look at this.
2015年9月 September 2015.
美国商会…
开会时间…
营销
NRA宣传
脱欧团 浏览 Leave.EU. That was fun. Run-through.
都在这里 It's all here.
我知道一切发生的确切时间 I know exactly when everything happened.
一直知道 永远知道 Always. Forever.
我没意识到自己有这么多 I didn't realize how much I had.
原来我手上的料要多得多 I've got much more than that,
这是我转发过的觉得有价值的东西 it's just those are the things I forwarded that I think are worthwhile.
你有机会全部浏览完吗？ Did you get the chance to look through all of that
我看了大部分 我今天再多看看 I went through most of it. I'll look through more of it today.
我弄出一个宣传信息看看 Let me get out one of the pitches. Um...
剑桥分析政治 "CA Political."
数据驱动型政治宣传活动 在2016年大获成功
看着挺疯的 This looks mental.
我们的数据让我们与众不同
这是一份主要数据源的列表 This is a list of, like, the main sources of data.
瞧！ And look,
这有他妈的三千万人的脸谱网数据集 it's got that fucking Facebook data set of 30 million individuals.
显示就在这里！ It just says it in there!
我靠！ What the fuck!
我的天 Oh, my God.
创建时间：2016年2月4日 Created February 4th, 2016!
是我们对脸谱网说 删掉了这个玩意之后 That was after we said to Facebook that we deleted that shit!
就是这三千万人 This is the 30 million individuals
我们通过科根教授获得他们的数据 that we got their data through Professor Kogan.
就是它 That's that.
就在这里承认了 “我们的数据让我们与众不同” And it admits to it right here, "Our data makes us different,"
因为我们积攒人们的资料 而别人没有这样做 because we're scraping people's profiles, and other people are not.
靠 Fuck.
我把这个东西给忘了 I forgot about this stuff, you know
里面有好多东西 There's just so much stuff.
加载中…
我们是谁
剑桥分析销售展示
来自布瑞特妮的计算机
我们力图作为一家公司来行动 ...we seek to do as a firm.
我们是一家改变行为的中介 We are a behavior change agency.
通讯的必杀技在于 The holy grail of communications is
可以开始改变行为时 when you can start to change behavior.
特立尼达 这是很棒很有趣的案例史 Uh, Trinidad. This is a great, interesting case history
关于我们如何看待问题 of how we look at problems.
那里有两个大政党 There are two main political parties,
一个是黑人的 另一个是印第安人的 one for the blacks and one for the Indians.
他们斗得不可开交 And you know, they screw each other.
我们曾为印第安人效力 So, we were working for the Indians.
我们去跟客户说 我们想定向年轻人 We went to the client and we said, "We want to target the youth."
我们努力提升冷漠 And we try and increase apathy.
竞选活动必须和政治无关 The campaign had to be non-political,
因为孩子们不在乎政治 because the kids don't care about politics.
必须是反应式的 因为他们懒 It had to be reactive, because they're lazy.
所以我们想出这种竞选活动 重点在于 So we came up with this campaign, which was all about:
成为帮会成员 做一些酷的事情 Be part of the gang. Do something cool.
成为运动的一部分 Be part of a movement.
它被称为“这样做！”运动 And it was called the "Do So!" campaign.
意思是：“我不会去投票” It means "I'm not going to vote."
“这样做！别投票” "Do so! Don't vote."
抵抗的敬礼 The salute of resistance
传遍整个特立尼达和多巴哥 that is known to all across Trinidad and Tobago.
这样做！ Do So! Do So!
这样做！ Do So!
这是一个反抗的手势 不是反抗政府 It's a sign of resistance against, not the government,
而是反抗政治和投票 against politics and voting.
-跑起来 -跑起来 - Run with it, run with it - Run, run
他们在视频网站录制自己的视频 They're making their own YouTube videos.
这是被涂鸦的总理府邸 This is the prime minister's house that's being graffitied.
简直大杀四方 It was carnage.
我们知道 说到投票 We knew that when it came to voting,
所有加勒比黑人小孩都不会投的 all the Afro-Caribbean kids wouldn't vote,
因为他们会“这样做！” because they Do So!
但是所有印第安人小孩会听父母的话 But all the Indian kids would do what their parents told them to do,
出去投票 which is go out and vote.
他们这样做很开心 They had a lot of fun doing this,
但他们不会违背父母的意愿 but they're not gonna go against their parents' will.
选举日看到联合民族大会党 增加了六个席位
感谢上帝指引 让我们获得今日的胜利 Thank God for the guidance that has brought us here to this victory.
感谢您 上帝 Thank you. Thank you, God.
18到35岁投票的人数变化 大概有40%！ And the difference in 18-to 35-year-old turnout was like 40%.
让选举结果摆动达到6%左右 And that swung the election about 6%,
在不相上下的选举中 这就是我们要的 which was all we needed in an election that's very close.
现在我们每年为总理或总统 进行十场全国选举活动 We now undertake ten national campaigns for prime minister or president each year.
我们在马来西亚运营 Malaysia, we're working in.
还在立陶宛、罗马尼亚 肯尼亚、加纳操作过 We did Lithuania, Romania, Kenya, Ghana.
-所以今年办了不少 -尼日利亚 - So quite a few this year. - Nigeria.
-脱欧运动呢？ -对 还有脱欧运动 - The Brexit campaign - Oh, and the Brexit campaign, yeah.
但我们不谈论那个 But we don't talk about that.
哎呀 我们赢了！ Oops, we won!
你担心她会让你失望吗？ Do you worry at all that she might let you down
这个嘛… Look, um...
那是个好问题 That is a good question.
我知道她是个复杂的人 I know already that she is a complicated person, uh,
她做了… who has...
一些一言难尽的事情 you know, done some complicated things.
我相信救赎 I believe in redemption.
个人的救赎和集体的社会救赎 Uh, individual redemption and collective... uh, social redemption.
我是理想主义者 我觉得我们可以修复破碎的东西 Uh, I'm an idealist. I think we can fix stuff that's broken,
与此同时 uh, and, at the same time,
我也是个现实主义者 知道你其实无法修复一切 I am a realist about the fact that you can't fix everything. Um...
一些东西坏了就坏了 You know, some things get broken and stay broken.
早上好 欢迎来到 Good morning, welcome to this further session
数字、文化、传媒及体育 特别委员会的深入会议 of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee.
很高兴欢迎布瑞特妮凯瑟 Very pleased to welcome Brittany Kaiser to give evidence to
今天早上向委员会提供证据 the committee this morning.
脸谱网和剑桥分析之间有联系 Now, there was a contact between Facebook and Cambridge Analytica
关于将数据用于 我觉得记忆中是2015年 about the use of data in, I think it was 2015, from memory.
你当时知道那件事吗？ Did you know about that at the time
脸谱网向所有客户宣布 Uh, so Facebook had announced to all of their clients
他们会关闭客户对用户数据的访问 that they were going to close their clients' access to this data,
所以我们同意删除 so we agreed to delete it,
但在2016年3月 but in March 2016,
就是我们的首席数据官说 you know, six or eight weeks after
这些数据集被删除后的六或八周 our chief data officer said that those data sets were deleted,
我收到一位高级数据科学家的邮件 I have an email from one of our senior data scientists
说我们其实在用脸谱网点赞数据建模 that said that we were actually using Facebook Like data in our modeling.
所以在我看来很奇怪… So that seems strange to me.
如果我们删除了所有脸谱网数据集 If we had deleted all of the Facebook data sets,
那怎么3月份还能用那些来建模？ how we were still using that for modeling in March.
凯瑟女士 从奥马巴竞选团队中的 理想主义实习生 Ms. Kaiser, you seem to have traveled a long way from an idealistic intern
到给这样一家公司工作 与讨厌的人为伍 in Barack Obama's campaign,uh, to working for a company
你似乎走了很长的路 that keeps pretty unsavory company,
这家公司希望为极右翼政党说好话 uh, in wishing to make pitches to far-right political parties.
这一点儿也没让你觉得不自在吗？ Didn't that make you uncomfortable
是的 我会说 质疑这种事情的道德性 肯定是对的 Uh, yes.I would say questioning the ethics of it is correct, definitely.
但也有人要给我介绍那些 But I have been offered introductions to clients
我之前拒绝见面的客户 that I refused to meet with before,
例如德国另类选择党 和玛丽娜勒庞的竞选活动 um, such as the Alternative for Germany and Marine Le Pen's campaign.
我连电话都不接他们的 I refused to even get on a phone call with them.
但英国独立党除外？ But not UKIP
独立党除外 对 Not UKIP, no.
你是否在脱欧团的发布会上出现 并做了展示？ Um, did you appear and give a presentation to the launch of Leave. EU
是的 Yes, I did.
那你一定有点失望吧 Um, you must've been a bit, um, disappointed then
你后来没有为他们做事的时候？ when you subsequently didn't do any work for them.
从那天之后 我们没有 进一步为他们工作 是的 And we didn't do any further work for them after that day, yes.
那么你还是做了一些事的 So you had done some work.
你目前所做工作的性质是什么？ What was the nature of the work that you had done so far
我们收到了 We had taken receipt
英国独立党的数据和调查数据 of UK Independence Party data and the survey data.
她反驳了很多尼克斯之前说的话 She's, like, contradicting Nix a lot, what he said previously.
我觉得你说得很清楚 就你而言 So, I think you've been quite clear, as far as you're concerned,
你给那个活动做过事 只是没报酬 you were working on the campaign, but just not being paid for it
我觉得你这一点说得很清楚 You're pretty clear on that.
为了我们的利益 请你澄清一下 Just to clarify, for our benefit,
要在这个空间范围内有效 to be effective in this space,
你需要多大一种工作集 how big a kind of working set do you need
才能用来创建出基础 to be able to then use that to create the basis
来打整个国家投票的主意？ for targeting the whole country in terms of voting
我不是数据科学家 所以我不能说 I'm not a data scientist, so I wouldn't be able to say
最少需要多少个数据点 the minimum number of data points that you would require,
但我知道他们的定向工具 uh, but I do know that their targeting tool
曾经是英国政府进行导出管制的 used to be export-controlled by the British government,
那意味着那种方法被视为一种武器 so that would mean that the methodology was considered a weapon.
武器级通讯战略 Um, weapons-grade communications tactics.
你是在说 给脱欧团使用的提案 What you're saying is that the proposal was for Leave. EU to use what you call
你称之为武器级通讯技巧 weapons-grade communications techniques
是针对英国大众的？ against the UK population
-是的 先生 -太疯狂了 - Yes, sir. - It's crazy.
我就是想知道你的观点 Uh, I just want to get your perspective as well.
你觉得立法者要怎么做 What do you actually think the legislators should do
才能更好地保护人们的数据？ in order to better protect people's data
很高兴您问了这个 现在想想吧 Well, I'm very glad that you asked that. Think about it right now.
谷歌和脸谱网的价值完全在于 The sole worth of Google and Facebook
他们拥有、处理和把持和使用 is the fact that they own, and possess, and hold, and use
全世界人们的个人数据 the personal data of people from all around the world.
所以我认为最好的推进办法 So I think that the best way to move forward
是人们把数据当成财产来持有 are for people to really possess their data like their property.
-谢谢 -谢谢主席 - Thank you, Chair. - Thank you.
我觉得这总结了我们今天的问题 Um, I think that concludes the questions from us today.
在结束会话之前 Just before we close the session,
我需要对亚历山大尼克斯 做一个简短通告 I just have to make a short announcement about Alexander Nix.
他明天不能给委员会提供证据了 He's now not able to give evidence to the Committee tomorrow
因为信息专员办公室给他 as a consequence of him having been served with an information notice
开出了信息通知 and being subject to the criminal investigation
并且他要接受刑事调查 by the Information Commissioner's Office.
希望我在下周早些时候 And I hope we'll be able to update people
可以告知人们最新情况 非常感谢 about that early next week. Thank you very much.
谢谢 Thank you.
天啊！ Shit!
过程结束了 The proceeding has ended.
是的 结束了！ Yes, it has!
我刚收到亚历山大的消息 I just got a text from Alexander.
亚历山大尼克斯 Alexander Nix.
他说了什么？ What did he say
“干得好 小布 看着很有点强悍 但你表现得不错” "Well done, Britt. Looked quite tough, and you did okay."
还有一个眨眼睛的表情 With a winky face little emoji.
让我有点伤心 懂我意思吗？ It makes me kind of sad. You know what I mean
他没有花三年半来欺负我 他没有 Like, it's not like he spent three and a half years being an asshole to me. He didn't.
他三年半都对你很好 让你做他想要你做的事 He spent three and a half years being nice to you to get you to do what he wanted you to do.
是的 但他很有趣 Yeah. But he is rather fun.
嘿 贾斯汀 Hey, Justin.
嘿 怎么样？你觉得如何？ Hey, what's up What did you think
戴维的同事
我正在消化 抖出了好多东西 I'm processing it. There were a lot of revelations.
SCL必须在本月末辩护 SCL has to file its defense at the end of the month,
应该会很有趣的 so, it'll be really interesting to see, like,
看他们觉得能做什么 尤其在这件事之后 what they think they can do, especially after this.
没错 That's right.
让我大吃一惊！ I mean, shit.
她说心理变数应当被定义为武器 She said that basically psychographics should be classified as a weapon.
看来凯瑟还是有道德底线的 It seems like Kaiser has some moral compass in her.
但很多次她明知道身处黑暗世界 But, so many times, she knew that she was in a dark world
却没有走开 and didn't step away.
他们很多次都说服了她 And they... they got... got her on that a couple of times.
是啊 Yeah.
你确实给这样一个男人工作 他一见面就对你说 You did work for a man who, upon meeting you,
“让我把你灌醉 偷走你的秘密” said to you, you know, "Let me get you drunk and steal your secrets."
你知道自己在给什么公司做事 You knew the kind of company that you were working for.
我不知道 可能我信任他吧 I don't know. I guess I trusted him.
我给他工作了三年半 他是朋友也是导师 I worked for him for three and a half years.He was a friend and mentor. I mean...
他刚才还给我发了消息 He actually just sent me a text,
虽然我已经 说不准 至少一个多月 没和他说过话了 although I haven't spoken to him in, I don't know, at least over a month.
他在看你 So, he was watching you.
-是的 他在看 -他说了什么？ - He watched, yes. - What did he say
他说看着很强悍 但我表现不错 He said that it looked pretty tough but that I did a good job.
-你回复了吗？ -没有 - Did you reply - No.
你会回复吗？ Will you
不 我觉得这种时候不合适 No, I don't think that's appropriate at this time.
你们之间没有友谊吗？ So, there's no friendship there
我现在质疑 这其中到底有多少友谊的成分 Well, I now question, you know, how much of a friendship it actually was.
我认可布瑞特妮的一点是… The thing which I give Brittany credit for...
很多人只会守口如瓶 这让我惊愕 it's really amazed me how many people are just keeping their mouths shut.
这是让人惊掉下巴的时刻 I mean, it was a jaw-dropping moment
当布瑞特妮说出这些是 被定义为武器级别的技术时 when Brittany said these are classified as weapons-grade technology.
在没有英国政府的许可下 And it was actually illegal to use those
使用这些是违法的 without the permission of the British government.
这是心战 It's psyops.
心战就是心理战 Psyops is psychological operations.
是军用术语 And it's a... it's a term that the military uses
描述你在非战争中的战争行为 to describe what you do in warfare which isn't warfare.
所以本质上 So, essentially, you know,
在阿富汗这样的地方 你可以选择 in a place like Afghanistan, you've got a choice.
你要么把一个村子炸掉 You either bomb the shit out of a village
要么尝试使用其它技术 劝说那些人 其实… or you try and use other techniques to persuade them that actually,
“塔利班并不好 没有他们会好很多” "The Taliban's not very good,and you'd be much better off without them."
SCL是作为军事承包商起家 SCL started out as a military contractor.
SCL防御 SCL Defense.
我们有相当可观的国防业务 We have a fairly substantial defense business.
我们事实上在培训英国部队 英国海军 We actually train the British Army, the British Navy,
美国部队、美国特种部队 the U.S. Army, U.S. Special Forces.
我们训练北大西洋公约组织 美国中情局、国务院、五角大楼 We train NATO, the CIA, State Department, Pentagon.
这是利用研究来影响 有敌意的观众的行为 It's using research to influence behavior of hostile audiences.
如何劝说14到30岁的穆斯林男孩 You know, how do you persuade 14-to 30-year-old Muslim boys
不要加入基地组织？ not to join Al-Qaeda
本质上是通讯作战 Essentially communication warfare.
他们在阿富汗工作过 在伊拉克工作过 They'd worked in Afghanistan, they'd worked in Iraq,
在东欧各种地方工作过 they'd worked in various places in Eastern Europe.
但真正的局势改变 But the real game changer
是他们开始在选举中使用信息战 was they started using information warfare in elections.
有很多重叠 因为都是相同的方法 There's a lot of overlap, because it's all the same methodology.
剑桥分析或SCL为发展中国家 All of the campaigns which Cambridge Analytica/SCL did
开展的选举活动 for the developing world,
目的完全就是使用一些新技术或诡计 it was all about practicing some new technology or trick.
如何说服人 How to persuade people,
如何抑制投票率或提升投票率 how to suppress turnout, or how to increase turnout.
我们的全球经验
然后就是 And then it's like,
“好了 现在我们掌握要领了 咱们用在英国和美国吧” "Okay, now we've got the hang of it, let's use it in Britain and America."
秘密拍摄的视频
-你见过特朗普先生吗？ -很多次
我们做了全面的调查 获得所有数据
进行彻底的分析 和充分的定位
我们运营过所有数字化竞选活动
电视竞选活动
我们的数据能为策略提供信息
品牌是“打败骗子希拉里”
你肯定会记得吧？
“骗子希拉里”
骗子英文单词的两个圆圈 是一副手铐
-目的就是… -像囚犯一样
-“她属于监狱” -是您创造出来的吗？
“打败骗子希拉里” 是的
然后 我们发挥创意…
成百上千种不同的创意…
我们放到网上
我们只要把信息
放进互联网的血流中
然后…看着它成长
所以这个东西渗透在线社区
不断扩展 没有印记 ...and expands, but with no branding,
所以找不到归属 无法追踪 so it's unattributable, untrackable.
我的观点是 And my view...
如果小家都管不好 is that if you can't run your own house,
你肯定也管不了国家 you certainly can't run the White House.
行不通的 Can't do it.
骗子希拉里 对吧？大骗子 她这人要多狡猾有多狡猾 Crooked Hillary, right Crooked. She's crooked as you can be.
把她关起来！ Lock her up! Lock her up!
没错 把她关起来！ Yep, that's right, lock her up!
把她关起来！关起来 Lock her up! Lock her up!
把她关起来！关起来！ Lock her up! Lock her up!
咱们11月打败她 Let's defeat her in November.
打败骗子希拉里
剑桥分析 “打败骗子希拉里”
你在看第四频道秘密拍摄的视频时 是什么感受？ What was it like for you to watch the Channel 4 undercover video
没人认出来 Nobody recognized it.
我们看那段视频时… When we watched that video...
我在纽约办公室 和那里的全体职员一起看的 I watched it in the New York office with, um, all the staff there.
我们知道它被播放出来了 And we knew it was coming out.
我觉得大家都… And I think everybody was...
处在一种震惊的状态 in a state of shock.
所有人都沉默着从那里走开 回到办公桌 Everybody walked away from the screen in silence back to their desks.
“关于直播…” "About Live Broadcasting..."
第四频道与 《卫报》和《观察家报》联手
今晚 伦敦第四频道的 一段卧底采访中 Tonight, an undercover interview by Channel 4 News in London
出现了剑桥行政人员 shows Cambridge executives,
包括CEO亚历山大尼克斯 including CEO Alexander Nix,
吹嘘公司在特朗普胜出中起的作用 boasting about the company's role in Trump's win.
第四频道的这一系列卧底采访 This series of undercover interviews by Channel 4 News
也拍到了尼克斯 also caught Nix on tape
谈论潜在的贿赂和圈套 talking about potential bribery and entrapment.
把一些女孩子派去候选人的家里 Send some girls to the candidate's house
我们做过各种事情 We have done all kinds of things.
尼克斯先生 能否问你 Mr. Nix, can I ask you what your message is
今天想给剑桥分析的员工 传达什么消息？ to Cambridge Analytica employees today
我们刚才得到剑桥分析的声明 We've just got a statement from Cambridge Analytica.
亚历山大尼克斯被停职 即刻生效 Alexander Nix has been suspended with immediate effect.
被指控采集8千7百多万 脸谱网用户数据的公司 The company accused of harvesting the data of more than 87 million Facebook users
据称已关闭 says it is shutting down.
公司说它打算在美国和英国申请破产 The company says it intends to file for bankruptcy in the US and the UK.
批评家认为剑桥分析 Critics believe Cambridge Analytica
和SCL选举有限公司可能停止运营 and SCL Elections may be shutting operations
来限制或制约当局调查的能力 to limit or restrict the ability of the authority's investigations
也为了销毁证据 and also to get rid of evidence.
剑桥分析的丑闻 现在是脸谱网的丑闻吗？ The Cambridge Analytica scandal,is it now the Facebook scandal
这不仅仅关于一家公司 I mean, this is not about one company.
这个技术将有增无减 而且会继续 This technology is going on unabated and will continue to go on.
但剑桥分析不在了 But Cambridge Analytica's gone.
某种意义上 我觉得… In some senses, I feel that, um...
因为这个技术发展得如此之快 that because of the way that this technology is moving so fast,
因为人们并不了解它 and because people don't really understand it,
也因为对此有很多担忧 and because there's a lot of concerns about it,
所以总是会出现剑桥分析这样的公司 there was always going to be a Cambridge Analytica.
我觉得倒霉的是 被剑桥分析撞上了 It just sucks for me it was Cambridge Analytica.
《卫报》和《观察家报》 伦敦
在过去的一年中 After we dealt with the threats
应对剑桥分析的威胁之后 from Cambridge Analytica over the course of a year,
接下来让我们头疼的事情 then the thing which made our heads explode
是出版前一天收到脸谱网的信 was the day before publication, when we got a letter from Facebook.
似乎要恐吓我们 让我们屈服 Yeah, it felt like an attempt to... to cow us into submission.
我觉得不像某种 不像某种合理反应 It didn't feel like a sort of...To me, it didn't feel like a legitimate response...
你会想 为何像你这种大企业 And you sort of go, you know, why is a great, big organization like you
利用英国律师…？ using UK lawyers
话说回来 这是个很激进的威胁 And again, a very aggressive threat
他们居然没道歉？ for which, actually, they then... Didn't they apologize
是的 他们说这不是他们的决战时刻 Yes, they said it was not their finest hour.
是啊 到那一刻之前 Yeah.And up until that point,
仿佛科技巨头仍然… it was like the tech giants were still, like,
是戴着兜帽的好人 让世界相连 the nice guys who wear hoodies,who connected the world.
有一种转变 And there was a shift away
从守规矩的科技巨头 from big tech being good
变成我们需要对其质询 to saying well, actually, we do need to start asking questions
各种问题的对象 about this and what it is.
剑桥分析不在了 Cambridge Analytica is gone,
但重要的是 明白剑桥分析的故事 but it's really important to understand that the Cambridge Analytica story
其实指向更大 更令人担忧的故事 actually points to this much bigger, more worrying story
就是我们的个人数据 在以我们不理解的方式 which is that our personal data is out there and being used against us
被用来针对我们自身 in ways we don't understand.
如果戴维拿回他的数据 And if David gets his data back,
我们有可能开始获得一些答案 we can hopefully start getting some answers.
SCL遵守法律 归还数据的 截止日期是今天 The deadline is today for SCL to comply with the law and give me my data.
我们处在逃避或问责的边缘 We're at the precipice of evasion or accountability.
卡洛发了推文 Carole tweeted,
“卡洛教授今天也会 给欧洲议会提交证据… "Prof. Carroll also giving evidence to European Parliament today
在剑桥分析将他的数据 交还给他的截止日 on day of deadline for Cambridge Analytica to turn over his data to him.
如果它不予交还 这就是刑事诉讼的问题了” If it fails to do so, it becomes a matter for criminal proceedings."
“嘿” 拉韦 听到什么消息吗？” "Hey Ravi, have you heard anything"
“还没有” "Not yet."
我在等律师的消息 现在什么都没有 I've been waiting to hear from my lawyer, and we have heard nothing.
所以他们不尊重监管 And so they have not respected the regulator.
他们没有尊重法律 They are not respecting the law.
那么现在就是刑事事件了 So now that this is becoming a criminal matter,
我们现在进入一片未知的水域 we are now in uncharted waters.
我会继续追索 And I will continue to pursue it
因为他们的模型可能影响一群人 because their model has the potential to affect a population
即便只是人群中的一小部分 even if it's just a tiny slice of the population,
因为在美国 because in the United States,
三个州的7万名选民就能决定大选 only about 70,000 voters in three states decided the election.
非常感谢 卡洛教授 Thank you very much, um, Professor Carroll. Um...
巴腾先生 Mr. Batten.
我的问题要问《卫报》的 卡罗尔卡德瓦拉德 My question is for Carole Cadwalladr from The Guardian.
《卫报》对此的立场是不是 一个纯粹的政治党派 Is The Guardian's stand on this a purely politically partisan one
出自本身的意愿 尽可能地提供协助 in its own intention to assist in any way that it can
来逆转或推翻公投结果？ to reverse and overturn the result of the referendum
这不是一个党派问题 我没法说得更强烈了 This is not a partisan issue, I cannot say that more strongly.
此事关于我们民主的完整性 This is about the integrity of our democracy.
关乎我们的国家主权 It's about our national sovereignty.
我会觉得 也关乎到你的利益 And I would think that you would have an interest in that also.
我觉得咱们迫切需要更多信息 I think that we desperately need more information,
因为我们不知道人们怎么被盯上的 because we don't how people were targeted
我们也不知道是基于什么数据 and we don't know what data that was based upon.
我们确实知道一件事 脸谱网一直在努力妨碍 One thing we do know is that Facebook has been obstructive in its efforts
来给英国国会调查此事帮倒忙 to help the British Parliament investigate this matter.
你们一定要看得长远一点 Uh, really, really, really, you've got to, like, look higher
要看到这里存在的更大问题 and really see the bigger issue here
要看到大局 以及对我们更大的风险 and the bigger picture and the bigger risks to us all.
罗杰 即便脸谱网没有违反任何法律 Roger, even if, uh, Facebook hasn't broken any laws,
那他们打破了与用户之间的某种 道德信任吗？ have they broken a sort of moral trust that they have with their consumers
这个嘛 我…他们破坏了我的信任 Well, I... They have with me.
我花了三个月 从2016年10也开始 我试图说 I mean, I spent three months, starting in October 2016, trying to say,
“诸位 我觉得你们在杀害民主 你们也会毁掉自己事业的” "Guys, I think you're killing democracy, and you're gonna kill your business."
-你好吗？我是罗杰 -你好吗？ - Hi, how are you I'm Roger. - Hi, how are you
-幸会 -幸会 - Pleasure to meet you. - Pleasure to meet you.
脸谱网就是为了垄断关注而设计的 Facebook is designed to monopolize attention.
将所有政治宣传的基本花招 Just taking all of the basic tricks of propaganda,
与赌场赌博的伎俩相结合 marrying them to the tricks of casino gambling.
老虎机那一类的 You know, slot machines and the like.
基本上就是在玩弄直觉 And basically playing on instincts,
恐惧和愤怒就是最可靠的两大办法 and fear and anger are the two most dependable ways of doing that.
所以他们创建一组工具 And so, they created a set of tools
让广告商用个人级别的定位 to allow advertisers to exploit that emotional audience
来利用情绪化的受众 对吧？ with individual-level targeting, right
21亿人 都有自己的现实生活 There's 2.1 billion people, each with their own reality.
一旦人们有了自己的现实生活 操纵他们就相对简单 And once everybody has their own reality,it's relatively easy to manipulate them.
关于此事的另一方面是 他们知道这会让我很难受 And the other thing about this is, they know that it's killing me...
来批评我视为珍宝的东西 ...to be critical of what I've viewed as my baby.
这样说会简单很多 “我想都不要想这件事” It is a lot easier to just sort of say, "I'm not gonna think about it."
是的 Yes.
但你的人生会碰到一些考验 对吧？ But...you get tested in your life a few times, right And...
对我而言 这就是那种时刻 for me, this was one of those moments.
我要么挺身而出 做点什么 I was either gonna stand up and do something about this,
要么袖手旁观 啥也不干 or I wasn't gonna stand up and do anything about anything. Right
因为这个东西有我的印记 Because my fingerprints are on this thing.
我真的觉得内疚 I mean, I felt really guilty.
我就是希望能够… And I just want to be able to...
在夜里安睡 sleep at night.
让我震惊的事情之一 One of the things that I was really struck by was...
就是你身上发生的事情 what happened with you
奥巴马与希拉里团队的人怎么了？ and the Obama people and the Hillary people.
他们都不想付我钱 Uh, none of them ever wanted to offer to pay me.
你的家庭快没钱了 And, um, when your family loses all their money
快要失去房子 and loses their family home
你父亲作为主要的家庭支柱 and your father, who's the main breadwinner,
做了脑部手术 再也不能工作了 has brain surgery and can never work again,
这个时候你就需要给金主干活 you have to work for people that pay you.
你家2008年没钱了？ Your family lost their money in 2008
嗯 但过了一阵子才真正崩溃 Um, yeah, but it took a while for it all to really fall apart.
2014年我们家没了房子 那时我开始为剑桥工作 We lost our family home in 2014, when I started working for Cambridge.
之前拒绝作证的亚历山大尼克斯 Alexander Nix appears before Parliament's Media Committee
现身国会媒体委员会 after previously refusing to testify
因为执法机关对公司开展调查 due to law enforcement investigations into the firm.
我上次在伦敦时 The last time I was in London,
记得我在考虑起诉SCL I remember considering challenging SCL
大脑里把场景过了一遍 觉得好可怕 and running through my head, like, how scary it was.
本委员会非常感激亚历山大尼克斯 The Committee's very grateful, uh, to Alexander Nix
今天同意回到这里 for agreeing to come back in front of the committee today
来回答我们的问题… to answer our questions...
现在回到这里 而且… Now, to be back here and, uh...
这些家伙要完蛋了 而且… these guys are down for the count and...
恶棍走投无路 the villain is up against the wall.
世界上还有他的同伙吗 You know, does he have any allies left in the world
还是大家都与他反目了？ or has everybody turned against him Right.
我想做一些简短的澄清 I'd like to make a few short clarifications.
只需要几分钟 Um, these will only take a few minutes,
但这对支撑我的答案而言很重要 uh, but it is important to be able to frame, uh, my answers.
他好紧张 He's so nervous.
尼克斯先生 如果从委员会提问开始 Mr. Nix, I'd be grateful if you'd start with the committee's questions
再看听证会的情况 我会感激不尽 and then see how we go through the hearing.
通常我会尊重这一点 但这不是普通情况 Ordinarily, uh, I would respect that, but these aren't ordinary circumstances,
如果可以的话 我想开始一段简述 and so, if I may, I'd like to start with a very brief statement
只为了表明立场 just to set out my position.
我更想用一个问题接一个问题的方式 I would rather take this on a question by question basis
而不是一开始就处理一段陈述 rather than being dealt with as a statement at the beginning.
柯林斯先生 您有大把机会 Mr. Collins, you'll have plenty of opportunity,
委员会全体成员想问多少问题都行 as will all the Committee, to ask me as many questions as you want,
但我必须坚持… but I have to insist on...
你怎么可能这样开始… How could you possibly start like that...
这里不是给你坚持的地方 It's not your place to insist.
“我承认我的一些答案 本可以更清楚…” "I accept that some of my answers could have been clearer..."
抱歉 你只是在照着念你的声明 So, instead, you're just reading out the statement.
-你能回答第一个问题… -他干嘛那样做？ - Can you answer the first question... - Why is he doing that
-能重复您的第一个问题吗？ -好的 谢谢 - Could you repeat your first question - Yes, thank you.
你确实从事公投宣传工作 You did pitch to work on the Referendum,
我不想纠缠脱欧团的问题 因为你已经表明了立场 and I don't want to dwell on Leave. EU because you've made your position clear.
我们真的很纠结这个 法瑞利先生 We're really scratching around here, Mr. Farrelly. Um...
我们或我自己在这家公司干了15年 We've been working, or I've been working with this company for 15 years. Um...
我们从未接手英国的选举业务 We've never undertaken an election in the UK.
不是这样的 That is not true.
我接到卡罗尔发来的邮件 So, I got an email from Carole.
她知道我2月见过朱利安阿桑奇 She knows that I met Julian Assange in February.
她知道我某个时刻用比特币 给维基解密捐过钱 And she knows that I donated to WikiLeaks at some point in Bitcoin.
如果她今天发表相关内容的话 就会… If she prints something about it today, it's going to make...
让我和自己国家的政府很难对话 my conversations with my own government really difficult.
这出现在布瑞特妮凯瑟的证据中 Um, it came up in Brittany Kaiser's evidence,
因为上次你来的时候 和我们谈了朱利安阿桑奇 because you spoke to us about, uh, Julian Assange the last time you came,
说你尝试获取 saying that you made an attempt
朱利安阿桑奇持有的 to gain access to the emails that Julian Assange had, um,
希拉里克林顿的电子邮件 来为你的客户牟利 the Hillary Clinton emails, in order to benefit your client,
即特朗普竞选 the Trump campaign.
这些可能是很有争议的电子邮件 Well, these were very contentious emails, potentially...
我们想了解… ...and we wanted to understand...
就和每个记者一样 我会说美国两党的 as did every journalist and, I would say, most political consultants
大部分记者都想了解… on both sides of the aisle in the United States,
这些邮件里面有什么 um, what was contained in them.
我不认为好奇心有什么邪恶之处 I don't think that curiosity is indicative of anything nefarious.
我的天 卡罗尔发了这篇文章 Oh, my God. Carole published the article.
剑桥分析总监 “与阿桑奇见面讨论美国大选”
我没有讨论美国大选！ I didn't discuss the US election!
我的天 真要命！ Oh, my God, this is insane!
保尔！ Paul!
-哈啰 你好！ -保尔！ - Hello, how are you! - Paul!
我和你说过 都会抖出来的 问题就在如何… I have said to you, it's all coming out,and the question is how.
我没有密谋泄露希拉里的邮件 I didn't conspire to leak Hillary's emails,
我和俄罗斯无关 所以… and I have nothing... ...to do with Russia, so...
是的 Yes.
事实上… The fact is...
-看着像我两件事都干了 -看着像你两件事都干了？ - ...it looks like I did both. - Does it look like you did both
如果我不是我的话 我会说 是的 看着就像这样！ If I wasn't me, I would say yes, that's what it looks like!
所以我吓坏了 That's why I'm freaking out.
会有很多人再也不相信我了 There's gonna be so many people that literally never believe me.
我到死的时候都有人不相信我的 I will die with people still not believing me.
有这个可能 Uh, that is possible.
-肯定有这个可能 -是啊！ - That is definitely possible. - I know!
好吧… All right...
我觉得我他妈需要离开这里 I think I need to get the fuck out of here.
从我的角度来看 从你今天过来开始 From where I'm sitting, since you've come here today,
你就尝试把自己描绘成受害者 you have attempted to paint yourself as the victim here,
然而无论如何 你都不能被视为受害者 though, by no stretch of the imagination can you be seen as a victim.
你肯定也看得出来 你不是受害者 Surely you can see that you are not the victim here.
如果我是受害者呢？ What if I was the victim
如果一些调查得出结论 What happens if, as some of these investigations are concluded,
人们意识到其实我们只是… people realize that actually we were simply...
被认为是效力于 the guys who were, uh, perceived to have contributed
特朗普竞选活动的人 to the Trump campaign
而且被错误地鉴定为脱欧设计师 and were wrongly accredited with being the architects of Brexit
同时由于这两场政治运动 两极化的性质 and as a result of the polarizing nature of those two political campaigns,
全球自由媒体对此表示不满 the global liberal media took umbrage
于是决定把我们当成靶子 and decided to put us in their crosshairs
对我们这家公司发起联合攻击 and launch a coordinated attack on us as a company
为了摧毁我们的名誉和事业 in order to destroy our reputations and our business,
而所有这些都是由一系列 无端指控支撑的 and all of this was underpinned by a stream of allegations,
来自崴利先生毫无根据的指控 unfounded, groundless allegations that came from Mr. Wylie,
他给了媒体他们需要的弹药… who gave the media the ammunition that they needed...
他们想… that they wanted,
在脱欧案例中 针对一些我们没做过的事 to be able to attack us for something that, in the case of Brexit,
来攻击我们 we simply didn't do.
那么你是这一切的受害者吗？ So you are the victim in all of this.
如果您此刻处在我的位置 您可能会觉得… Well, if you're sitting where I am right now, you'd probably feel...
深受其害 ...quite victimized.
该死的护照哪去了？ Where the fuck is my passport
现在可不太顺利 Not having a good day right now.
我放在别的地方了吗？ Did I put it somewhere else
谢天谢地 Oh, my God.
我之前从没有放在那里 I've never put it there before in my life.
我今天脑子不清楚 Not that I'm thinking straight today, so...
我很慌张 抱歉伙计 I'm flustered. Sorry, guys.
可可小姐香水让我好点 Coco Mademoiselle makes me feel better.
至少我挺好闻 At least I smell good.
我不知道接下来的日子会出什么事 I have no idea what's gonna happen in the next coming days.
我回到这里因为想配合 I literally came back here because I wanted to be cooperative,
我想帮忙 I want to help.
纽瓦克机场
卡罗尔卡德瓦拉德 你又成功了一次
剑桥分析总监 “与阿桑奇见面讨论美国大选”
今天英国报纸《卫报》报道 Today, The Guardian newspaper in Britain reports
剑桥分析一名高级行政人员 that a senior executive at Cambridge Analytica
与维基解密的朱利安阿桑奇见过面 met with Julian Assange from WikiLeaks,
俄罗斯窃取的文件 正是这个实体扩散的 which is the entity that distributed the documents that Russia had stolen.
她说他们讨论过美国大选 She says they discussed the US election.
太疯狂了 穆勒 你在听吗？
我觉得他知情！
我在订机票时 穆勒调查的人打来电话 The Mueller investigation called when I booked my flight
他们决定发出传票 and they decided to issue a subpoena.
我们本来跟他们用一种 友善、合作的方式谈话 We were talking to them in a very, like, friendly, cooperative way
然后卡罗尔的文章彻底转变了 他们对我的看法 and then Carole's article completely changed the way that they see me.
是啊 我… And, yeah, I...
我在剑桥分析上班时 worked at Cambridge Analytica
他们手上有脸谱网数据集 while they had Facebook data sets.
而且我… And, you know, I...
在剑桥上班的时候去过一次俄罗斯 went to Russia one time while I worked for Cambridge.
我在剑桥上班的时候 拜访过朱利安阿桑奇 I visited Julian Assange while I worked for Cambridge.
我给维基解密捐过一次钱 I once donated to WikiLeaks.
我为特朗普的竞选助攻过 还撰写了第一份合同 I pitched the Trump campaign and wrote the first contract.
所有这些东西让我像是… Like, all of these things make it look like I am...
处在某种疯狂大事的中心 at the center of some big, crazy thing.
我看得出来 我也无法争辩 And I see that, and I can't argue with that.
我可能需要重新思考 I might need to rethink the way that I've been doing things
过去几年我的行事方式 for the past few years.
这个故事还没出版 This is a story which we haven't published yet
讲的是自从那个新闻发布后 talking about all the investigations
英国和美国开始的 which have been kicked off in Britain and the US
所有这些调查 since the story came out.
开展调查的有联邦调查局 So, there's an investigation by the FBI,
美国证监会 by the US, the SEC,
司法部 by the Department of Justice,
罗伯特穆勒 by Robert Mueller,
以及参议院情报委员会 and by the Senate Intelligence Committee,
司法委员会、众议院情报委员会 the Judiciary Committee, the House Intelligence Committee.
这些都是正在进行的 And then these are all the ones which are going on
和英国有关的 which are connected in Britain.
脸谱网需要监管来打击假新闻 议员如是说
国会调查了18个月 Parliament spent 18 months investigating.
他们召见了所有证人 They called in all these witnesses.
最后他们的报告说得很清楚 And at the end of it, their report says very clearly,
“我们的选举法不适用” "Our electoral laws are not fit for purpose."
英国选举法不适用
我们在这个国家无法拥有 自由和公平的选举 We literally cannot have a free and fair election in this country.
原因在于脸谱网 And we can't have it because of Facebook,
因为科技巨头依然完全不负责任 because of the tech giants who are still completely unaccountable.
脸谱网被贴“数字黑帮”标签
听起来很像世界末日 It sounds, like, quite apocalyptic.
但觉得像咱们正在进入一个全新纪元 But it does feel like we are entering into a whole new era.
我们能看到专制政府正在崛起 We can see that authoritarian governments are on the rise.
他们在脸谱网上 施展仇恨和恐惧政治 And they're all using these politics of hate and fear on Facebook.
看看巴西 Look at Brazil.
被选上台的 There's this right-wing extremist
是右翼极端分子 who's been elected.
我们知道WhatsApp 作为脸谱网的一部分 And we know that WhatsApp, which is a part of Facebook,
显然与那里的假新闻传播有牵连 was really clearly implicated in the dissemination of fake news there.
看看缅甸发生的事情 And look at what happened in Myanmar.
有证据表明 脸谱网被用来 There is evidence that Facebook was used
煽动种族仇恨 导致种族屠杀 to incite racial hatred which caused a genocide.
泼燃油放火 让他们快点去见真主
我们要灭掉他们种族
我们也知道俄罗斯政府 在美国使用脸谱网的工具 We also know that the Russian government was using Facebook's tools in the US.
作为黑人 代表我们社区 很自豪
证据显示俄罗斯情报部门创建了 假的“黑人的命也是命”带梗表情包 There's evidence that Russian intelligence created fake Black Lives Matter memes.
点击后就会进入一些页面 And when people clicked on them, they were taken to pages
受邀参与抗议活动 where they were actually invited to protests
而俄罗斯政府是组织者 that were organized by the Russian government.
-要正义！立刻就要！ -什么时候要？ - Justice! Now! - When do we want it
与此同时 他们还会设置页面 At the same time, they were setting up pages
定位对手群体 例如“警察的命也是命” targeting adversary groups, like Blue Lives Matter.
目的在于激起恐惧和仇恨 It's about stoking fear and hate
挑起国家内斗 to turn the country against itself.
各个击破 Divide and conquer.
白人力量！ White power!
法西斯和自豪！ Fascist and proud!
阻止德克萨斯州的伊斯兰化
不是我的总统
去你妈的唐纳德特朗普！
这是为了连接我们而打造的平台 These platforms which were created to connect us
现在已经被武器化了 have now been weaponized.
已经不可能分辨清楚 And it's impossible to know what is what
因为它发生在完全相同的平台 because it's happening on exactly the same platforms
就是我们和朋友聊天 或分享孩子照片的平台 that we chat to our friends or share baby photos.
一切都不是看上去的那样 Nothing is what it seems.
纽约市
嗨 你还好吗？ Hi, how are you
还行吧 I'm all right.
我上周住在这里 存放了一个手提箱和两个袋子 Um, I stayed here last week and I checked in a suitcase and two bags.
我不得不去机场 离开这里 And I had to go to the airport and just, like, left.
所以我的袋子在这待了一周 So my bags have been here for a week.
我的嘉宾 卡罗尔卡德瓦拉德 My guest, Carole Cadwalladr,
为英国报纸《观察家报》 和《卫报》写文章 writes for the British newspapers The Observer and The Guardian.
可以多说一点脸谱网数据吗？ Can you just say a little bit more about the Facebook data
关于这个数据 美国人被如何针对 This thing of the data, so how Americans were targeted,
被用什么方式来针对 and what they were targeted with,
算是穆勒调查的关键部分 is a sort of key part of Mueller's investigation.
我前往华盛顿特区 I am headed to Washington, DC,
为穆勒的调查作证 for my testimony for the Mueller investigation.
我肯定没有想到我们坐在这里 I definitely didn't think that while we're sitting there
数着数据屏幕上的票数时 counting votes on our data screen
其中一些投票人 that some of those votes
是看了俄罗斯给自己的脸谱网上 were made by people who had seen fake news stories
花钱弄的假消息 paid for by Russia on their Facebook page.
可能我想要相信 Maybe I wanted to believe
剑桥分析就是最优秀的 that Cambridge Analytica was just the best.
这样信起来很省事 It's a convenient story to believe.
飞机将降落我国首都的 罗纳德里根华盛顿机场 ...service down to our nation's capital, Washington Reagan DC airport.
我觉得不可能摆脱这些 I don't think it's possible to shed any of this.
这种事情是甩不掉的 You can't really put something like this behind you.
凯瑟
“青年参与、劝说… "Youth engagement, persuasion...
冷漠” apathy."
我们在马来西亚运营 Malaysia, we're working in.
还在立陶宛、罗马尼亚 肯尼亚、加纳操作过 We did Lithuania, Romania, Kenya, Ghana.
对 还有脱欧运动 Oh, and the Brexit campaign, yeah.
但我们不谈论那个 But we don't talk about that.
哎呀 我们赢了！ Oops, we won!
现在听这个 听着就像是… Listening to this now, it just sounds like...
一个罪犯供认在全世界犯下的罪行 a criminal admitting to everything he’s done wrong around the world.
知道吗？ You know
我就在那紧张地陪他一起笑 I'm just there, nervously laughing along with him,
由着事情发生 letting it happen.
就像我说的 与我这辈子做的事相反 As I said, it's the opposite of what I've worked my whole life to do.
所以… So...
让我对自己感到气愤 居然能坐着开完那样一场会… it makes me angry at myself that I could sit through a meeting like that...
之后还没有立刻辞职 and not quit directly afterwards,
大致就是这样 basically.
我在做什么 What was I doing
你和什么调查员谈的话？ What investigators have you been talking to
眼下我但凡帮得上 就会尽可能地 I'm currently working to be as helpful as possible
给任何政府调查提供帮助 to any government investigations where I can provide assistance,
但我现在不能评论 他们正在调查当中 but I can't comment on that right now while they're ongoing.
现在您可以使用移动电话服务 At this time, you may use your cellular service.
然而较大的电子设备必须存放起来 However, larger electronic devices must remain stowed.
布瑞特妮犯了错 Brittany made mistakes.
但我觉得她很勇敢 But I think it was very brave of her
能挺身而出 然后继续合作 to come out and then to keep cooperating
而不是置身事外 and not to walk away.
有两个人 以各种严肃的方式 She is one of two people
来检举剑桥分析 她是其中之一 who has blown the whistle in any serious way on Cambridge Analytica.
我们都有责任 We're all responsible.
所以问题在于 我们如何应对这种责任？ So the question is, what do we do with that responsibility
我们能承担吗？ Can we embrace it
很高兴终于发生了 Happy that it's finally happening
我可以告诉人们发生了什么事 so that I can just tell people what happened and
让这个政府 我的政府 get everything...on record
将一切记录在案 for this government, my government.
你记得剑桥分析吗？ You remember, though, Cambridge Analytica.
它在2016年大肆宣扬 Its big claim in 2016
自己能获取美国大选中投票的 was that it had access to voter data
所有选民的数据？ on all of the people voting in the US election.
1亿5千7百万在大选中投票的人里 唯独有一个人 Well, just one of the 157 million people who voted in that election,
名叫戴维卡罗的男人 问了他们一个简单的问题 a man called David Carroll, asked them a very simple question:
我可以看看你们手上我的数据吗？ "Can I see the data you have on me"
他们拒绝给他 And they refused to give it to him.
但重要的是今天 剑桥分析 But crucially, today, Cambridge Analytica pled guilty
在亨顿初级法院 就未遵守 英国信息专员办公室的通知而认罪 at Hendon Magistrates' Court for failing to comply with the ICO notice.
你对此有何看法？
卡罗尔 我们一直知道 他们是犯罪集团
现在它算是…被正式定性了？
剑桥分析的案子现在已经过去了 The Cambridge Analytica case is behind me now.
他们就未归还我的数据一事认罪了 They pleaded guilty for not giving me my data,
我可能永远要不回了 and I'll probably never get it back.
当我女儿18岁的时候 By the time my daughter is 18,
她有7万个定义她的数据点 she'll have 70,000 data points defining her,
眼下却对此毫无权限 and currently she has no rights,
完全无法控制 no control over that at all.
但战争在继续 But the battle continues.
用不着我来告诉你们 I don't have to tell you
有一股暗流将我们所有人联系在一起 that there is this dark undertow which is connecting us all globally.
它正在通过技术平台流动 And it is flowing via the technology platforms.
这就是我今天在这里的原因 And that is why I am here
对你们直说 硅谷众神 to address you directly, the Gods of Silicon Valley.
马克扎克伯格 Mark Zuckerberg,
雪莉桑德伯格 and Sheryl Sandberg,
拉里佩奇、塞吉布林 and Larry Page, and Sergey Brin,
和杰克多西 and Jack Dorsey.
因为你们致力于连接人们 Because you set out to connect people
而你们拒绝承认 and you are refusing to acknowledge
同样的技术如今正在让我们分离 that this same technology is now driving us apart.
你们似乎并不了解 And what you don't seem to understand
问题不仅关乎你们 也不仅关乎我们任何一个人 is that this is bigger than you, and it's bigger than any of us.
也不只是左翼右翼、退欧留欧 或特朗普上台下台的问题 And it is not about left or right, or leave or remain, or Trump or not.
这关乎是否可能 It's about whether it's actually possible
再次拥有自由和公平的选举 to have a free and fair election ever again.
所以我要问你们的是 这是你们想要的吗？ And so my question to you is: Is this what you want
你们希望历史这样铭记自己吗？ Is this how you want history to remember you
被铭记为独裁主义的女仆 As the handmaidens to authoritarianism
我要问其他人的是 这是我们要的吗？ And my question to everybody else is, is this what we want
黑暗降临时 袖手旁观 玩着手机 To sit back and play with our phones as this darkness falls
现在谁登陆了脸谱网？ Who is logged into Facebook right now
几乎所有人 Almost everybody.
那么作为个体 So, as individuals,
我们可以限制自己 随处泄露的数据洪流 we can limit the flood of data that we're leaking all over the place.
然而没有妙计 没办法人间蒸发 But there's no silver bullet. There's no way to go off the grid.
所以你们必须了解 So, you have to understand
你们的数据在如何影响自己的生活 how your data is affecting your life.
我们作为人的尊严已岌岌可危 Our dignity as humans is at stake.
其中最艰难的部分… But the hardest part in all of this...
在于这些残破不堪的地点 ...is that these wreckage sites...
和会造成严重后果的分歧 ...and crippling divisions...
始于一个人的操纵 begin with the manipulation of one individual.
接着是另一个人 Then another.
然后又是另一个 And another.
所以我不禁问自己 So, I can't help but ask myself:
我可以被操纵吗？ Can I be manipulated
你可以吗？ Can you
唐纳德特朗普2016年的 数字竞选总监
声称在脸谱网投放了 590万个是视觉广告
对比希拉里克林顿的 6万6千个广告
他现在是特朗普 2020年的竞选经理
亚历山大尼克斯拒绝 为本片接受采访
他在一份声明中说他们 已为脸谱网数据获得法律许可
他们只为脱欧团提交过 “工作建议”
而且他们没有利用清算 来逃避其法律责任
特立尼达和多巴哥总理 卡姆拉佩萨德比塞萨尔
否认和剑桥分析合作
有关机构正在调查这个说法
卡罗尔卡德瓦拉德继续报道 对民主的威胁
携手《纽约时报》 入围普利策奖决赛
戴维卡洛继续教导和提倡
承认数据权是新的人权
布瑞特妮凯瑟公开提倡数据权
提供专业举证
通过她的“拥有你的数据”运动 与立法者合作
她提供的关键证据 帮助改变了
关于脱欧、脸谱网 和数据保护法的对话